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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 21
penter work, as mentioned above, and in which it was determined that the lATSE should have jurisdiction over the "erection of sets on stages" except "trim and millwork on sets and stages."
Disputes immediately arose as to the interpretation of various provision of the award. By agreement of the producers and all unions concerned, the time for putting the directive into effect was postponed in order to permit time for a study and analysis, and also to arrange necessary changes in procedure.
I might parenthetically observe that the award of this work to the lATSE changed the practice that had been going on in the studios for many years with respect to set construction.
Mr. McCann. Let's get that straight. A council of the A, F. of L. — that doesn't mean a committee of three, but that means the council ?
Mr. Kahane. That is the entire council,
Mr. McCann. Instructed the producers that, when they went to Miami that the words "erection of sets on stages" meant construction of such sets ; is that right ?
Mr. Kahane. Yes; well, more than that. I remember Mr. Tobin, the international president of the teamsters, asking the question about liow many of the men belonging to the carpenters' union will be affected by this decision, how many men that formerly did that work will now no longer have the right to do it, and how many of the lATSE men will get that work, and I think the question was answered— I think they said somewhere around 300 to 350 men, and they understood that this was work which had been done for some 15 or 20 3-ears by the carpenters and was now turned over to the lATSE group.
Mr. McCann. They knew that the work had been done by the carpenters for 15 or 20 years?
Mr. Kahane. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCann. And they were turning it over now to the lATSE group ?
Mr. Kahane. That is right.
]\Ir. McCann. Who had never done it?
Mr. Kahane. They were adopting the division of work that had been created by an agreement dated back in 1926, when there was no rancor and there was no feuding.
Mr. McCann. You mean to say in 1926 that was what they had agreed to ?
Mr. Kahane. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCann. And yet they had never done that work that way ?
Mv. Kahane. That is right.
Mr. McCann. And the council, ignoring the historical fact that the work had been done by these carpenters now for 15 or 20 years, steps in and goes back to an agTeement in 1926 which had never been effectuated and said, "This is what you are going to do"?
Mr. Kahane. No ; you are saying the council had done this. The three-man council had done this in their award.
^Ir. McCann. I don't mean the award now. I am speaking of the full council.
Mr. Kahane. All they did was to confirm the award made by the three-man committee. The thiee-man committee went back and dug into the archives of the American Federation of Labor and found this agreement in 1926 where this work was allocated.