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COMMUNISM IN MOTION-PICTURE INDUSTRY 207 Mr. Tavenner. And you did not mean to infer that it was by your answer? Mr. Lees. I do not mean to infer that it was, but I did mean that it's possible for any labor union or any organization at some future date perhaps to be listed. That's all I meant. Mr. Tavenner. Have you any reason to believe that this organiza- tion would ever be listed as a Communist-front organization? Mr. Lees. I have no reason to believe that, Neither have I had reason to believe that some of the organizations or other organiza- tions that have been listed could have been listed. Since that's been possible, almost any organization can become suspect, Mr. Tavenner. Well, will you refer by name to any organization which you did not have reason to believe would be cited and which has been ? Mr. Lees. I decline to get into the discussion of organizations that have been listed, because I cannot, unfortunately, because of involving myself and incriminating myself. Mr. Tavenner. Referring'again to the play Meet the Invisible Man, is it not true that Frederick I. Rinaldo was a joint writer with you in that screen play ? Mr. Lees. I refuse to answer that question on the ground previously stated. Mr. Kearney. Even in view of the fact it's public knowledge ? Mr. Lees. I think this is all a matter of record. Mr. Kearney. I didn't ask you what you thought, Will you please answer my question ? Mr. Lees. I mean I was referring to earlier questions on this sub- ject where I have claimed the privilege, and I am claiming the privi- lege on exactly the same basis that I claimed it before. Mr. Kearney. I would like to ask one more question. Mr. Tavenner. I have no further questions. Mr. Kearney. To your knowledge, are any of the convicted Holly- wood 10 writers now working for the motion-picture industry ? Mr. Lees. Not to my knowledge. Mr. Wood. Any further questions ? Mr. Kearney. No. Mr. Wood. Mr. Velde? Mr. Velde. Mr. Lees, is it L-e-e-s? Mr. Lees. That's correct. Mr. Velde. You have refused to answer quite a number of very pertinent questions on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate you. I wonder if you honestly feel that you are more in danger of being incriminated by refusing to answer than you would in answer- ing truthfully? Mr. Lees. Would you repeat that again, please ? I'm sorry. Mr. Velde. Do you honestly feel that you would be more in danger of being incriminated by refusing to answer these pertinent questions than you would be by answering them truthfully ? Mr. Lees. May I point out that as I understand the use and the privilege of the fifth amendment is such that drawing inferences as to guilt or nonguilt by claiming the privilege is something that is not correct. . . Mr. Velde. Well, you realize, of course, Mr. Lees, this is not a court of law. I msan w'e can't possibly prosecute you as a defendant.