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1474 COMMUNISM IN MOTION-PICTURE INDUSTRY Mrs. Ashe. Joe Gollumb, G-o-l-l-u-m-b, and at that time Rose—Mr. Gollumb did get a group of people together. I don't remember any of their names, because none of them were familiar to me. Mr. Tavenner. I should ask you at this point, Was Mr. Gollumb known to you to be a member of the Communist Party? Mrs. Ashe. No; he was not. Mr. Tavenner. Do you mean by that you know that he was not a member ? Mrs. Ashe. No ; I mean I—to my knowledge he was not a member of the Communist Party. Mr. Tavenner. Will you proceed, please. Mrs. Ashe. And Rose Bush made quite a lengthy speech that night. Some of the people—well, frankly, they thought she was phony and asked her a little about Germany; and she said, well, that she hadn't brought anything out of Germany, that she had to come out with clean suitcases. In other words, she couldn't bring out any identifica- tion at all, but she did show credentials presumably from the execu- tive committee of the Communist International on a little white satin ribbon. Mr. Tavenner. What did the white satin ribbon have written on it? Mrs. Ashe. That I do not know. I don't remember, but that was her credential, and the reason I recall it is because when Lawrence Ross, who at that time was the organizational secretary, found out she had exhibited that in a public meeting, she was severely criticized for it. Mr. Tavenner. Did you at any time learn anything further re- garding the character of that identification, the white ribbon? Mrs. Ashe. No. That is the only time I ever heard of a white rib- bon or saw the white ribbon, but I saw the white ribbon. Mr. Tavenner. How did Rose Bush spell her last name? Mrs. Ashe. B-u-s-h. Mr. Tavenner. For the benefit of the committee, may I say that the committee's investigation at an earlier date discloses that a similar ribbon was signed, for identification purposes, by Max Bedacht. Were you acquainted with Robert Minor, M-i-n-o-r? Mrs. Ashe. Yes; I knew Robert Minor very well. Mr. Ashe toured the State of California with Mr. Minor on a speaking tour, and I tagged along. We were out maybe 2 or 3 weeks on a speaking tour. It was during the election campaign when Mr. Ashe was running for secretary of state for California. Mr. Tavenner. On the Communist Party ticket? Mrs. Ashe. On the Communist Party ticket, And at the same time—it was during that time that Mr. Upton Sinclair had his EPIC movement, the End Poverty in California movement. Mr. Tavenner. Will you tell the committee whether or not at this time the Communist Party dictated any change of policy with re- gard to the support that it should give to the candidates in that par- ticular election? Mrs. Ashe. The decision in California of the—the executive com- mittee in California had made the decision that the Communist Party should support Mi". Sinclair for Governor. When Mr. Minor came to California, he had meetings. I didn't attend the meetings, but I heard discussions of the meetings. Mr. Sinclair's program was one of cooperatives. He wanted to set up cooperatives in which people