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1544 COMMUNISM IN MOTION-PICTURE INDUSTRY Mr. Tavenner. There is another Dr. Bigelman in the city, is there not? Dr. Bigelman. I see. Mr. Tavenner. Is that right ? Dr. Bigelman. Well, I am sure that there is another one. He spells his name differently. Mr. Tavenner. How does he spell his name ? Dr. Bigelman. If I am not mistaken, he spells it B-e-i-g-e-1-m-a-n. Mr. Tavenner. What is his first name ? Dr. Bigelman. That I don't know. His initial is M. Mr. Tavenner. Well, there is a question, don't you see, of identi- fication. Dr. Bigelman. In justice to him and in justice to myself, too, I would say that clear identification would be desirable. Mr. Tavenner. Dr. Bigelman, a schedule of the classes for the winter of 1950 term of the California Labor School reflects the name of a Dr. Leo Bigelman as an instructor. Are you the Dr. Bigelman referred to as an instructor in that school ? Dr. Bigelman. Well, you are raising my name in connection with an organization which I have heard or believe has been labeled either by this or other committees as on the subversive list. I therefore must, in duty, decline on the grounds it might possibly tend to in- criminate me and, therefore, invoke the privilege of the fifth amend- ment and do decline to answer that question. Mr. Tavenner. Have you at any time been president of the board of trustees of the People's Educational Center ? Dr. Bigelman. The context Mr. Tavener. In Los Angeles. Dr. Bigelman. Well, the context of that question is the same as the previous one. I really feel very sincerely and very strongly that education of any type is a prerogative of our people but, inas- much as certain types of education, apparently, does not meet with the approval of this and other committees and is proscribed, I again must and do decline to answer this question on the grounds of the fifth amendment. I would like to say that in taking the ground of the fifth amendment, I would very much appreciate introducing the position of Justice Black—Supreme Court Justice Black, on the fifth amendment so that my position may be clear. That is, that it is neither an admission of guilt nor, for that matter, do I understand, is an im- plication of innocence. Furthermore, that I am in no fear of con- viction of anything, but there is possible fear or jeopardy of prosecu- tion. Is that correct? I wanted that clearly understood when I claimed the privilege of the fifth amendment. Mr. Tavenner. Well, will you tell the committee, if you state that there is no question of guilt involved in your answers, how you be- came a member—how you became interested in these various or- ganizations which I have mentioned? Let us take, first, the Cali- fornia Labor School. Will you tell the committee, please, the circum- stances under which you became connected with that institution. Dr. Bigelman. Well, Mr. Tavenner, as long as you mention the organization or organizations which I have already declined to ans- wer, I shall continue to decline to answer on the same grounds. It is my understanding of the fifth amendment that any attempt to