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COMMUNISM IN MOTION-PICTURE INDUSTRY 1851 cratic system like ours, because that is the only way. Only after expo- sure can we know how to vote and how to govern ourselves, but I wonder if we discovered them all. Mr. Dotle. Well, do you feel from what you know, from your wide experience, that there is an element within the Communist Party that is definitely interested in the overturning and overthrowing, the ruin- ing utterly, of our form of Government? Mr. Tunberg. Yes, sir; I do believe that. Mr. Doyle. Why do you believe that? Mr. Tunberg. On the basis of what I have heard in conversations that I have had with people I have suspected of being members of the party. That's about it. But I have heard enough—I have talked enough with these people to mistrust their motives and to mistrust their loyalty, may I say. Mr. Doyle. Have you any other suggestion for us in the field of legislation ? Mr. Tunberg. Well, this is a rather vague suggestion, but if some- thing could be done to identify people—when you vote for a Repub- lican, you know what he is. If you vote for a Democrat, you know what he is; but you never know what a Communist is. If the party is not outlawed, at least there should be some way of identifying him, letting people know what they are voting for and what these people stand for. I don't know how you could do this, but it is lack of knowl- edge that is the great danger. I am sure that the majority of people in this country are against this sort of thing, the overwhelming major- ity, but a lot of them don't know about it. A lot of liberals are con- fused, confusing what is a liberal issue with something backed by a more subversive group. Mr. Doyle. One more question. Do I understand from your answer just a minute ago to me that, based on your wide experience in the Los Angeles area, you are under the conviction that there are men and women in the Communist Party who would join in the forceful revolu- tion or revolution by the use of force, if need be, to accomplish the overthrow of the American system of government ? Mr. Tunberg. Yes, sir. Mr. Doyle, I believe, number one, from what I have read—I have studied communism a little bit; I have studied Marxism in college, and I have talked with very few but with people that I had reason to think knew all about this movement. As I said earlier, I distrust them. I distrust their motives. I don't think they are really Americans. . Mr. Doyle. Thank you very much. (At this time Representative Donald L. Jackson returned to the hearing room.) Mr. Walter. Thank you very much, Mr. Tunberg. Mr. Tunberg. Mr. Chairman, there is one further Mr. Walter. Excuse me. Mr. Jackson, have you any further questions? Mr. Jackson. A couple of questions. With further reference to the Writers' Mobilization, the committee has had in the past members of the Screen Writers' Guild who, the evidence before the committee in- dicated, did work for the United States Government on some of these writing projects who have refused to answer the questions of the com- mittee not only as to whether or not they were members of the Writers* Mobilization but the nature of the work upon which they were engaged,.