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2078 COMMUNISM IN HOLLYWOOD MOTION-PICTURE INDUSTRY Mr. Wheeler. What was his first name? Miss Ettinger. Al. And I remember that very clearly. I remem- ber what he looked like. Mr. Wheeler. Describe him. Miss Ettinger. A rotund, shortish fellow who apparently had done a lot of reading on his own. Whether he was a member at the time I don't know. Mr. Wheeler. Do you recall his occupation ? Miss Ettinger. I think, and this again I have told Mr. Gang, and it is conjecture on my part, I think he was a copy writer. I think he was writing advertising copy. I may be so wrong on that that I have to say, "I think." Mr. Wheeler. After you joined the party were you assigned to any particular unit or branch? Miss Ettinger. How I was assigned, the form it took, I am not sure of. I know that I think there were originally—I think I did go to meetings with some readers and then I don't know how it happened, whether they left the party or whether they moved out. There were changes. I cannot remember how it changed. Mr. Wheeler. How many different groups or units were you as- signed to during the period of time you were in the party ? Approxi- mately how many ? Miss Ettinger. Mr. Wheeler, may I amend that? I am not sure that the original group was only readers, I'm not sure of that. That, I can't remember. Then there was another group with people com- ing and going, that's all. Mr. Wheeler. Just two groups, then ? Miss Etitnger. Yes. Mr. Wheeler. Do you recall where any of these meetings were held? Miss Ettinger. I thought that some of the meetings were held, in good part, in the building on Fourth Avenue. Now, I think, it may not be Fourth Avenue—it's Twenty-third Street, which was a head- quarters building in New York. Mr. Wheeler. What type of headquarters? Miss Ettinger. The party headquarters. Mr. Wheeler. How many individuals comprised the first group, approximately ? Miss Etitnger. I don't know. Maybe four, maybe five. It's hard. I am guessing when I tell it to you. Mr. Wheeler. How about the second group ? Miss Ettinger. I think about 10 or 12, with changes, with people coming and going. But I don't think it was larger than that. I don't think so. I have no visual memory on it, which is what disturbs me so. Mr. Wheeler. Do you recall anybody who was in charge of these particular groups, either one or the other? Miss Ettinger. I don't think we ever had that formality. I think somebody would say, "We'll get together and sit and talk and read a book and discuss it." I have tried in these last couple of weeks to remember what of party activity was done, what party activity went on, and outside of having fights about the things that appeared in the weekly magazines and the discussions of what was going on in Europe, unless I have just forgotten I can't remember an activity. That seems silly, but I don't.