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2086 COMMUNISM IN HOLLYWOOD MOTION-PICTURE INDUSTRY ciated with in any social way. I went to a meeting and I went away from a meeting and I never saw them. Mr. Wheeler. Will you give this question further thought, and in case you remember any you will notify me. Miss Ettinger. I will be glad to. Mr. Wheeler. Miss Ettinger, why did you get out of the Commu- nist Party? Will you explain the reasons why you disaffiliated your- self with the Communist Party? Miss Ettinger. Because it took me all that time to make up my mind to just forget about it, because I disagreed on every point, I wasn't interested in having a separate—I am trying to remember some of the things that we studied that minority groups were going to have a choice of their own country in America, they were going to have a Negro America or Chinese America, or something else. I wasn't interested in this nonsense. I was interested in people living together. The whole thing—this was only the beginning, the arguments, the nonsensical statements about world affairs. I disagreed with every- thing they thought was great for America and I disagreed with what was being done over the world. I was disgusted with the debating society because statements would appear in the magazines and news- papers and we would discuss them and I would disagree with them. I would be called names, I was a crooked thinker, I didn't think straight, I was not bright enough, I didn't understand. And this happened from the very beginning. Finally when it came to really important world events, the happen- ings in Spain, the Hitler-Stalin pact, I knew that I could no longer sit there and be unhappy, I had to do something about it and I went away and never came back. Mr. Wheeler. In other words, what made you unhappy about this Hitler-Stalin pact was the party which professed to be anti-Hitler and for minority groups made a treaty with Hitler? Miss Ettinger. Made a treaty with people they were supposed to be against. So I couldn't believe anything. Mr. Wheeler. Did the explanation that the treaty was one of ex- pediency only offend your sense of decency, if you can remember? Miss Ettinger. Even more than that. I believed that everything they said was a lie anyway, because it was all expediency, everything that happened and switched around from day to day was because it was right that day. So I never knew when they were right and I was right. And I decided this was not for me. Mr. Wheeler. After you left the Communist Party were you ever asked by anyone to rejoin, either in New York or in Hollywood ? Miss Ettinger. You mean after I was formally out? Mr. Wheeler. Yes. Miss Ettinger. Never. Mr. Wheeler. I would like to refer back to the list of names you have compiled regarding the writers that were hired by Columbia Studios and ask you several questions regarding some of the indi- viduals. I notice here that on October 24, 1946, Ben Barzman was hired. Do you recall the circumstances under which he was hired? Miss Ettinger. No. I called the producer for whom he worked at the time because it is 5 years ago. We tried to recall why this man