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4484 COMMUNISM IN HOLLYWOOD MOTION-PICTURE INDUSTRY I hadn't known that, it wasn't in the paper. He said, "What are yon going to do with it?" I said, "Well, I think I have to keep that to myself." He said, "Well, I think the only thing to do is to stick with the fifth amendment." I said, "Sam, it is something I don't agree with you on, but I can't argue with you." It got very cold in the restaurant and I got up, and as a matter of fact we ordered coffee and I didn't finish the coffee, I paid the bill and went to my rehearsal and he left, and I haven't seen him since. Mr. Tavenner. Did he take the initiative of getting in touch with you at that time ? Mr. Burrows. Yes, sir. He called me. I hadn't seen him in a long time. Mr. Wood. Do you know what the provision of the fifth amend- ment is ? Mr. Burrows. I believe it is refusing to testify, it is a refusal to testify on the ground that what you say might incriminate you. Mr. Wood. You knew that then, did you not ? Mr. Burrows. Yes, sir. Mr. Wood. Why would he ask you to avail yourself of the protection of the fifth amendment, in appearing before this committee ? Mr. Burrows. His theory was that everybody ought to stick together. Mr. Wood. Everybody ? Mr. Burrows. Everybody. Mr. Wood. You mean the pastor of the First Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles ought to hide behind the fifth amendment ? Mr. Burrows. Well, Mr. Wood, if I may point out, back in the days when the first group of people from Hollywood were called, I remember reading a thing about them, in which one of them said—whether it was a public statement or what, I forget what—in which they said that everybody, regardless of whether they had been members of the Com- munist Party or whether they had never been members, were to stick together in bucking the committee. Mr. Wood. And do you know there were 12 of them that came here and did that? Mr. Burrows. What is that ? Mr. Wood. Did you know 12 of them came from Hollywood before this committee and claimed the protection of the fifth amendment? Mr. Burrows. I didn't know how many had done it, sir. Mr. Wood. Did you know that every one of them have been iden- tified in sworn testimony before this committee that they were mem- bers, and a lot of them have come before the committee voluntarily since they served their sentence in jail and admitted their membership? Mr. Burrows. Yes, sir; I know that. Mr. Wood. Why would this party be asking you or suggesting to you that you also avail yourself of the protection of the fifth amend- ment ? Mr. Burrows. Because I think the Communists—I don't know i f everybody who was subpenaed back in, for instance 1948, whenever that was, was a Communist or not. But I know the Communists in their requests said they thought everybody should refuse to talk to the committee. Mr. Wood. Every Communist?