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films, but many of them, like Mutual, which made all the Chaplin films, these films are in the public domain and you can find them everywhere. They're the only Chaplin films, in fact, that you can show in universities because the Chaplin estate has decided to withhold all of his feature films. This is from, "The Gold Rush" I guess is still public domain. You can't rent them. You can't see them at a theater. You can get them on video, if you want. So every story is going to be different about the way in which films have been regarded and preserved. Chaplin preserved his films that he owned very, very carefully.
Mr. MOORHEAD. For those of you who like "Gone with the Wind," they'll bring them out one at a time later on and they'll be very valuable. People will come and see them.
Mr. Belton. But even "Gone with the Wind," there was trouble with the color deteriorating, and if they weren't careful about checking their preservation process, it might not have been restored fully.
Mr. MooRHEAD. I recognize the gentleman from Michigan.
Mr. CONYERS. Please don't show "Gone with the Wind" at a hearing, Mr. Chairman. I'd just as soon pass on that one. [Laughter.]
Mr. MooRHEAD. I just picked that one out of the hat.
Mr. CONYERS. I know.
Dear friend Carlos, where is your sense of capitalistic Republican responsibility here? Here you come weighing in on the side of big government, and all these professors are doing — we had a wonderful hearing. We had Government people. We bring in the preeminent leader of American cultural music, Quincy Jones, and then you bring in these four guys. And here this little party is getting turned upside down, and you're opposing people that produce, independent entrepreneurs, businessmen, like in early studios in the days you grew up in your neighborhood, and now you're saying, no, we don't think that private ownership rights should be given that greater regard. I am shocked as I listen to you here
Mr. MOORHEAD. Well, you misunderstood what I said.
Mr. CoNYERS. Are you for the little guy? Are you for the small businessman?
Mr. MOORHEAD. I'm for the sustaining contractual rights.
Mr. CONYERS. You're for what?
Mr. MOORHEAD. Sustaining contractual rights.
Mr. CoNYERS. Well, let's worry about tlus a little bit more because you called this panel — this is almost like the days before the Republican takeover. I mean, if I were Chair, I would have you guys up here, but you call these people
Mr. MOORHEAD. We try to be fair. We bring every point of view we can bring.
Mr. CONYERS. You brought these men full well knowing what they might do in this hearing, and, damn it, they've done it, Carlos. [Laughter.]
Mr. Hoke. Would you yield for a moment, Mr. Conyers?
Mr. Conyers. No, thanks. [Laughter.]
No, thanks.
And what is the problem here, because I want to go along with the program here. I'm in the minority now. I'm really learning what that's all about.