Hearings regarding the communist infiltration of the motion picture industry. Hearings before the Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first session. Public law 601 (section 121, subsection Q (1947)

102 COMMUNISM IN MOTION PICTURE INDUSTRY verts. Therefore, tliey ai-e made impotent. I want to know tliese Communists. We want to see them. I am not afraid of communism in America if it is out in the open. I am not afraid. The American people will reject it openly, if they know what it is. I would like to see it outlawed. Mr. Wood. That is all, Mr. Chairman. The CiiAiRjiAN. Mr. McDowell. Mr. McDowell. Mr. Menjou, on this matter of outlawing the Communist Party, the party has been outlawed in Canada, Panama, and various other nations of the world. So far as I could study their situations, the results haven't been much different. There are many Communists now in Canada. Canada now faces the business of arresting those that are known Communists and proven Communists. They go through trials. But it hasn't apparently slowed the number of Communists that are in Canada. Mr. Menjou. You are not going to slow down the hard core of the disciplined Communist. He is going to be there all the time. He simply has to be watched. To take the producers in the picture business — if I may partially answer Mr. Wood again — a man, let us say, like Mr. Mayer or Mr. Warner, who testified yesterday, it is practically impossible for them to see every foot of film made in their studios. They make too many. They haven't the time. They couldn't possibly do it. Both of them are anti-Communist to the core ; that I know. You will see, and have seen, very, very little of what I would call anything like subversion because, as I say, of the activities of the alliance and due to the publicity that has been giveji out. This publicity is healthy. That is why I am proud to be before the committee, because these things can be heard and brought out. Being so busy that they cannot do it, the under producers in the studio do the engaging of the writers. Mr. Mayer doesn't hire any writers. That is done by other people. Now, if these people are watched constantly, they can do no harm. They can't do any harm. I wouldn't want to deprive anybody from making his bread and butter. I think these people can be taught. I think, if their party is outlawed, the thing that worries me about the party is its connection with Moscow, which is dedicated to the overthrow of this Government by force, and every other government. Any study of the situation in Bulgaria, Rumania, or Hungary must api)all people. They must frighten them to death. We don't want that here. If the capitalistic system does as well in the next 50 years as it has done in the last 50, there will be no trouble at all in this comitry, believe me. Mr. McDowell. Mr. Menjou, I believe I told you last May, on the west coast, that of all the thousands of people I have discussed communism with you have the most profound knowledge of the background of communism I have ever met. With that knowledge, with your study of Karl Marx and modern communism, I would like to ask anothef question. There has been a great deal of propaganda in the United States and other countries here in the last 2 years that the Soviet Government has relaxed its opposition to religion — churches. I have even heard speakers from the Soviet Union say that church attendance was encouraged. Do you