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Harry N. Marvin, Direct Examination. 149
A. I understand that in a very recent decree of the Court of Appeals, two members of the Court held thai the Latham patent did not cover cameras and one member held thai it did cover cameras.
Q. Had not the Latham patent been disregarded generally in the trade by all the manufacturers for a period of four or five years as being of no value? A. I cannot say definitely as to that, because the former owners of the Latham patents were not financially able to bring suits under that patent against infringers, and therefore no suits had been started to my knowledge, and I am therefore unable to know anything about the attitude of the people who were infringing the patent.
Q. Do you mean that where the owner of the patent was financially unable to bring suit to maintain his right under the patent, the manufacturers of these moving pictures deliberately infringed his patent? A. I think that was customary with them, as I believe it is customary with all other manufacturers.
Q. Now, name some of the companies which were taking that high stand? A. What high stand do you refer to?
Q. Of infringing the rights of the Latham patent when he was unable to bring suit? A. The Biograph Company, the Edison Manufacturing Company, Pathe Freres, Vitagraph Company, Kalem Company, G. Melies, Essanay Company, the Selig Polyscope Company, and all of the users of projecting machines throughout the United States.
Q. Had there been any court decision upholding the Latham patent as applied to cameras? A. Not as I know, only the exhaustive opinion of Judge Coxe I believe, in the case I have mentioned above, and I don't know whether that is considered a decision or merely an opinion.
Q. Is that a decision of the Circuit Court of Appeals? A. Yes.
Q. They did not sustain the patent. They held that it was invalid so far as the moving picture cameras were concerned, did they not? A. That I did not quite understand; I merely say that that opinion of this Judge of that divided court sustained it partially — I don't know that that is what you mean by an opinion of the court — it was the opinion of one member of the court.
Q. Then other than that dissenting opinion of Judge Coxe