In the District Court of the United States, for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, the United States of America, petitioner, vs. Motion Picture Patents Company, et al., defendants (1913)

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Opinion on Reissue 12,192. IT!) "175XQ. Why do you suppose you did not refer in any of your caveats to the character or composition of material of the film which you used in any of the forms of apparatus for taking or reproducing photographs of an object in motion? A. I don't know why I did not. I was not interested in the manufacturing or making of the photographic material. 176XQ. Did you not regard the film then as a thing of your invention? A. No, I did not regard the film as a part of my invention, no sir; I looked to the people who made it for that. 177XQ. You consider your invention to be in the apparatus which you had designed for producing the illusion of motion? A. I was trying to do for the eye what the phonograph was doing for the ear, and to make it commercial. 178XQ. After you had conceived of that idea, the selection of material was not a matter of invention, although it might have been difficult? A. Well, I don't know about that. Our experiments showed that we had to have peculiar material, especially when we were on the microphotographs, as we could not get any definition with paper and thinks like that; we had to get some glassy surface. The microphotographs shown with microscopes are very nicely defined and even a hundred figures are shown under a microscope, and all the details come out sharp, but these are taken by some means that I don't know of, but taken at very low speed, and the surface seems to be perfect, whereas the only surface we could get was very warty and irregular, and we could not bring out any details whatever when the picture was extremely small * * *. 183Re-DQ. On cross examination you referred to the requisities of the film for your 1889 apparatus as being toughness and transparency. Did you include the requisite for the surface, the sensitive surface of such a film? A. No, I did not, but that was one of the things that we got the photograph people to work on to give us the maximum sensibility, because we were very short of light, and as we Avere taking photographs at a very rapid rate, we had to have something extremely sensitive, and they made us a special film, different from the film that we printed on, that is to say different from the positives, and