In the District Court of the United States, for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, the United States of America, petitioner, vs. Motion Picture Patents Company, et al., defendants (1913)

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226 Harry N. Marvin, Direct Examination. pany, that statement which you now make is directly contrary to the statement which you made prior to the formation of the Patents Company, is it not? A. I do not see that it is. I say now that we did business openly in defiance of the patents known to exist. I said then that we claimed that those patents were not valid, and we hoped to upset them in the Courts, but that did not deter us from going on and doing business in the meantime. That, I believe, is the common rule of business with patents. Q. Well, is there a common rule in business, as far as your experience goes relating to patents, for there to be this wilful disregard of the patent rights of others, which you have testified to were the prevailing conditions prior to the formation of the Patents Company? A. I think it is very uncommon for people engaged in business to pay much attention to the patents unless the owners of the patents make efforts to enforce the patents. Q. As I understood your last answer, you maintain that your position today on these patents is just what it was prior to the formation of the Patents Company? A. Oh, I did not mean to say that at all, Mr. Grosvenor. I mean to say that our position when we are fighting a patent that belongs to somebody else is radically different from our position when we own the patent and we are trying to enforce it. Q. You mean you state you believe one thing at one time, and then when circumstances change, you would say you believe another thing? A. No, I have not said I believe anything of that sort. Q. Well, now, before this Patent Company was formed, referring now to Exhibit No. 55, being that statement entitled "The Facts," you recollect, which was sent around by the Mutoscope or Biograph Company, your company, in referring to this patent No. 12,192 on the film and suits thereon, you say, "no such suit has been pressed, so far as we are aware, against any other person or corporation during the past five years," don't you? A. I think that appears in that statement. Q. And you also sent around quotations from the opinion of the Court in the suit which you won against the Edison Company, in which you print in black type a statement respecting Edison and the film "he was not the