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William H. Swanson, Direct Examination. 309
manufacturers, and selling agents of film manufacturers, and projecting machines and film exchanges.
Q. Was there any discussion at the meeting in regard to the new license exchange agreements? A. Yes, sir.
Q. What provision in the agreement was particularly discussed? A. The matter of the two weeks' cancellation clause, as regards the film exchanges, was the first matter discussed, but that was deemed not altogether of importance at that meeting. At that time, the purpose of the meeting was the discussion particularly of the royally on projecting machines which dealers did not seem to think just, and wanted to have removed either by refusing to further patronize the Patents Company in that connection, or by persuasion, if it was possible.
Q. Did you make a speech on that subject? A. I did, yes, sir.
Q. Opposing the imposition of this royalty on the exhibitors or in favor of it? A. Opposing it. I was elected chairman of that meeting, and was called upon the floor to present the purposes of the meeting, in view of the fact that the representatives from the Patents Company were there, that the matter be outlined fully, and as dispassionately as possible. It was taken up and they were perfectly willing to express a vote on the question.
Q. Did any of these licensed manufacturers or any of their representatives speak on the same subject after you had spoken? A. Instead of endeavoring to answer the proposition as set forth in the speech that I made regarding the matter, they adopted the theory of ridiculing it, and just simply tried to laugh it off, and it resolved itself into a passage of personal remarks which finally broke up the meeting.
Q. What manufacturers, if any, spoke on the subject? A. Mr. Kleine made quite a long address, presented his contracts as they questioned as to his right to enter into an agreement with the Patents Company — he presented his contracts with Gaumont, and Urban, and upon request from myself that he read them instead of just flashing them under our eyes, he refused to do so, and put them back in the safe, and also entered into personal vilifying of myself and others. Mr. Selig made no comment except of a personal character.
Q. Do you know whether or not any of the licensed manufacturers went from Chicago to New York the next day? A. Mr. Spoor and Mr. Selig and Mr. Kleine left Chicago and