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William Pelzer, Direct Examination. 393
is no agreement between the General Film Company and the Kinetograph Company.
Q. Well, between the Patents Company and the Kinetograph Company? A. Xo agreement between the Kinetograph Company and the Patents Company. If there are such, though, I will produce them. I omitted speaking about the Eastman agreements.
Q. I have some of the Eastman agreements. A. The agreements between the Motion Picture Patents Company and the Eastman Company were also delivered to Mr. Grosvenor by me a year ago. There were four Eastman agreements, as I remember.
Q. Now, I show you an agreement dated January 1, 1909, between the Patents Company and the Eastman Company, and another agreement between the same parties dated June 15, 1909, and another agreement between the same parties of February 14, 1911, and another agreement between the Patents Company and the Edison Company, Edison Manufacturing Company, and Eastman Company, of February 14, 1911. Are there any other agreements between the Eastman Company and the Patents Company? A. I do not know of any, but I will have a search made, and make inquiry.
Q. Of course you will not make search for any of those that I have named. I will retain these agreements that I have shown you and determine later whether to introduce them. A. I have a list of those you have.
Q. Mr. Pelzer, the Patents Company, maintains a large force of detectives, or men, whose duty it is to see whether the licensed exhibitors are observing the terms of the licenses, and to find out whether they are displaying unlicensed film, or independent film, so-called, or doing anything else that the licensed agreements provide against, is that correct? A. If there are any such I never heard of them.
Q. Who has charge of that branch of the Patents Company? A. I don't know of any such branch in the Patents Company.
Q. Of the Patents Company? A. I don't know of any.
Q. Well, don't you have employees whose duty it is to go to the different theatres and ascertain whether any unlicensed film is being displayed? A. I don't know of any employees in our service whose duty it is to do that.
Q. Well, you received information from time to time as