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394 William Pelzer, Direct Examination.
to such violations? A. I think a large part of that information comes from the exhibitors themselves.
Q. Do you mean that if an exhibitor shows unlicensed films he tells you that he is doing it in all cases? A. No, his competitor does.
Q. Who is Mr. Braden? A. He is a clerk in the employ of the Patents Company.
Q. Does he have any men under him? A. Not to my knowledge.
Q. Do you have anything to do with this matter of cancellation of licenses of theatres? A. No, sir.
Q. Well, who does? A. Mr. Braden and Mr. Marvin look after all those matters.
Q. Then you would not be in a position to know how that information as to theatres is obtained, would you? A. No, sir.
Q. And you do not have anything to do with the cancellation of licenses of theatres? A. No, sir.
Q. Or with the obtaining of that information? A. No, sir.
Q. In regard to the same? A. No, sir.
Q. Then, when you stated that the Patents Company had no such force, you simply mean that if it has such force it is not within your knowledge? A. I said personally I had no knowledge of any such force.
Q. But you do not mean to say that the Patents Company has no such force? A. I don't believe they have.
Q. You cannot say of your own knowledge that they do not? A. No, I would not say that.
Q. What is Mr. Braden's full name? A. John Braden, I think it is.
Q. And he is located at 80 Fifth Avenue? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is he an office man? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Who is Durant Church? A. He is an attorney who makes his headquarters at the Patents Company office.
Q. And does he have charge of considerable of the litigation in connection with replevin suits? A. I don't know.
Q. Don't you know what his duties are? A. No, sir.
Q. You are one of the officers of the Patents Company? A. Yes, sir.
Q. And how long have you been such? A. Since someiime in 1011, the early part of 1011.
Q. Well, isn't it necessary for you to know, in order