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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 61
Mr. INIcCann. Yon certainlj^ were not with Mr. Schenck in New York discnssing any arrangements at all, but Mr. Casey was there, according to this record.
Mr. Mannix. I was not there.
'Mr. McCann. I am not interested, and I want to re-emphasize the fact, I am not concerned with respect to the economic battle between various elements here, but I am concerned over this whole historical picture which has been opened through the matters which have been read, the battle between the unions which has covered apparently a number of years, and particularly the position of the union leaders in not surrendering any of their jurisdiction.
Now, yesterday you said that you thought it might be possible, if we could get these fellows together, to get some settlement of those issues. You have heard the statement read, what Mr. Walsh said about getting together with Mr. Hutcheson and it didn't seem to do any good; there was no yielding on the part of the carpenters. I wondered, was there any statement at any time made to you personally by Mr. Walsh with I'espect to this situation that would enlighten the committee.
Mr. Mannix. Mr. Walsh told me in one of the conferences personally what led to him going to New York and having a lot of 8-by-lO pictures and sorting them, and I think he told me there was a thousand pictures in which they showed the work, and the first 2 days the same thing seemed to progress very well, and the third day it blew up.
I didn't know who was present at that conference, but Walsh knows. So I spoke to him many times and asked whether he and Hutchesoji couldn't get together, and each time I bring it up he recites this particular situation.
During that, Walsh told me that there was about a thousand pictures and that they had gone through practically all of them, and there was a pile on one side and a pile on the other, that he had given up his jurisdiction to Hutcheson, and Hutcheson came in the third morning and said, "Dick, it is all off. I must have all wood, wood substitutes, and wood working machinery." And that seems to be a pretty firm stand. Of course, that is what we are confronted with in these jurisdictional strikes.
Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, I have no further questions at this time. I would like to excuse Mr. Mannix subject to the same condition^ and here is a question I have been requested to ask.
Mr. Kearns. I have a few more questions to ask him.
Do you have any correspondence with Mr. Walsh and Mr. Hutcheson that you could make available to this committee ?
Mr. Mannix. Personally ? All communications between Walsh and Hutcheson would have been carried on by the association, the labor department of the association.
Mr. Kearns. You personally would not have any ?
Mr. Mannix. I would not have any communication with them whatsoever.
]Mr. Kearns. Do you agree with what Mr. Walsh said in the statement, that possibly this closed-shop situation was the beginning of all the trouble here in the Hollywood studios ?
Mr. Mannix. Well, that is a difficult statement. If closed shop brought greater jurisdictional lines, I would agree with it.