Jurisdictional disputes in the motion-picture Industry : hearings before a special subcommittee of the Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first-session, pursuant to H. Res. 111 (1948)

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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 71 that the Government of the United States is big enough to adjust it, Mr. Casey. Mr. Casey. Mr. McCann, in my former testimony right on this witness stand I called your attent:ion, and told you practically the same thing — in my opinion the only one that could ever straighten this out would be the Government. Mr. McCann. Mr. Casey, let's move along out of your experience and tell us step by step, now, what took place after 1939. You told about these unions being broken up in 1937. Mr. Casey. That is right. Mr. McCann. Now, would you mind, if you recall, let's go back to that. Mr. Casey. Yes. Mr. McCann. Can you tell us how many different kinds of locals were created in 1939 out of this old local 37 of the lATSE? Mr. Casey. I think there were at least five or six. Mr. McCann. And they simply divided up the previous work which had been done by local 37 into certain categories ? Mr. Casey. That is right. Mr. McCann. Have they fought among themselves, then, over the categories into which they have divided the work? Mr. Casey. They have in some cases. Mr. McCann. In other words, then, there has not only been friction between the IBEA Mr. Casey. IBEW. Mr. McCann. And the lATSE, and the carpenters, but there has been friction within the locals of the lATSE? Mr. Casey. Yes, sir. Mr. McCann. Will you give us some illustrations of that? Mr. Casey. Well, in certain cases I know where propertymen have endeavored to do something that the grips claimed was their work. Mr. McCann. This "grips" is a funny name. Will you tell me what it stands for? It sounds to me like a pickpocket instead — I would like to know what "grips" means, if you can give it to me. Mr, Casey. I will tell you; it originates from the theater. In the theater we have what we call a construction crew who builds the scenery for that production. Then after that production is built, it was usually built on canvas on what we call flats, kind of a square like — a window there [indicating]. Mr. McCann. Yes. Mr. Casey. Then the grip, this so-called grip, came along and he took these different pieces of this room or the ceiling and he put them together with what we call a lash line. In other words, there was a little hook up at the top ; threw the rope over there and you brought it down here [indicating], and there were two little hooks here, and you put them together and tied it. Mr. McCann. That is what the grip Mr. Casey. That is what a grip does. Now, in the studios the sjrip handles the sets after they are made. He ties them up, and fixes them and braces them, and then takes them down and puts them away and stores them, and brings them back to be used again. Mr. McCann. Tell us about the trouble between the grips and the others.