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74 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
Mr. Casey. I think about four, of which they have to give up two.
Mr. McCann. In other words, since the strike started, the lATSE, in addition to the number of locals they created in 10.31), have created about four more locals, and two of them they were forced to give up?
Mr. Casey. According to Mr. Walsh's testimony ; yes.
Mr. McCann. Has that same thing happened in the other group of workers — I mean the group identified with the Conference of Studio Unions?
Mr. Casey. No, sir.
Mr. McCann. I want you to understand that in asking you these questions I have simply been following out the lATSE because that has been developed through Mr. Walsh.
Mr. Casey. That is right.
Mr. McCann. Anything you can contribute with respect to the same history, as to the Conference of Studio Unions, I wish you would give us also.
Mr. Casey. The painters' local of Conference of Studio Unions has issued charters to publicity men
Mr. McCann. Where do they get their authority to issue a charter to publicity men?
Mr. Casey. I think, Mr. McCann, all you have to do is to get so many people to write a letter and say they want a chai-ter. They send it to the international and the international figures, "Here is a chance to get a little more dues. Come on, and let's get it. If we don't get it, somebody else will."
Mr. McCann. Anyone that can write is entitled to get into the painters' union if he can paint a word picture of something.
Mr. Casey. That is right.
Mr. McCann. The publicity men.
Mr. Casey. We have the story analysis; we have the set designers, and interior decorators.
Mr. McCann. Is that all the unions they have had?
Mr. Casey. No ; at one time we had the office workers.
Mr. McCann. Who do thev, or the make-up groups belong to?
Mr. Casey. Thev belong to the IxVTSE.
Mr. McCann. They belong to the lATSE?
Mr. Casey. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCann. Which one of the locals do they come under?
Mr. Casey. No, no; they have their own local.
Mr. McCann. They have a charter?
Mr. Casey. They have their own local. Thev are chartered bv the lATSE.
Mr. McCann. Is it true they have two locals, one of them being the ones that make up the face of an actor and can't go below the Adam's apple, and another one makes up the body from the Adam's apple down?
Mr. Casey. They have what they call the regular make-up of the people; and they have the body make-up generally on women in pictures, like a sun tan and something like that; and they have hairdressers.
Mr. McCann. Now, let me see. These are all I ATSE ?
Mr. Casey. They are all in the one local — the make-up.