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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 97
Mr. LuDDY. I think they are all under subpena, Mr. McCann.
Mr. McCann. They are all under subpena ?
Mr, LuDDY. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCann. If those gentlemen are present, I would like for them to be prepared to answer the question from their records with respect to the number of members and the number of permittees working there.
Mr. Kearns. No objection.
Mr. McCann. Now, do you know whether or not any of these locals which you have just enumerated have contracts with the producers?
Mr. Casey, Up to July 1, they didn't have contracts. What has happened since then, I don't know.
Mr. McCann. Do you know whether or not any demand has been made by these unions for contracts ? ^
Mr. Casey. It has never been made to me,
Mr. McCann. Yesterday we had testimony, Mr. Casey, as I recall it, from Mr, Mannix, to the elfect that the men employed as carpenters to take the place of those who were on strike, were, let us say, proficient— or after 2 or 3 months of training, were able to qualify — to do the work needed by the producers.
Have you any personal knowledge of the qualifications of the men who are now fiuictioning as carpenters and journeymen on the lots of the producers?
Mr, Casey. As to the ones that are functioning at the present time, I have not. As to the ones that started in when the trouble started, I have.
Mr. McCann. State what time you mean, and then give us the circumstances which you can with respect to that period.
Mr. Casey. Kight after the strike of 1946, 1 was called upon to come over to the Pathe Studios, that there was a controversy over there between set erectors and carpenters.
This was during that 30-day period that I was supposed to decide jurisdiction. When I got to the Pathe lot, they had a big scene there of a kitchen in which there were great big iceboxes
Mr. McCann. Just a moment. Was that 1945 or 1946 ?
Mr. Casey. That was 1946, And the trouble was that all of these big doors, which are big enough for people to walk through, were hung upside down. Of course, they couldn't throw the catches open. The result was we had to get carpenters to come in and reset the doors,
Mr. McCann. You are speaking of that from your own observation ?
Mr. Casey. Personal knowledge.
Mr, McCann. Do you know from your own personal knowledge from what sovu'ce or sources the producers received the employees which they used to fill in the gap that was left by virtue of this strike?
Mr, Casey. Well, they appealed to the lATSE to furnish them men, and the lATSE furnished the men. Where they got the men, I don't know.
Mr, McCann. At that time, wasn't it right after the war ended and there were a lot of men with temporary carpenters' cards who had constructed housing, and, therefore, there were plenty of people available at that time, men who had had no difficulty in securing journeymen's cards by reason of the war effort ?
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