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100 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
"Well," he said, "We had an open shop before, and we fought it. If we have an open shop now, we will have to fight it."
"A^'ell,■' I said, "you won't do a thing? You won't give word to the fellows out there to go ahead — not a thing? The matter is just as it was when we talked last in New York?"
We talked (lien about the weather and about his airplane and about a half-dozen ol her things. I knew there was no chance of me budging "Hutch," so I left.
Now, I want it distinctly understood I wasn't sent there by anybody. I went there because Mr. Tobin had brought me into a meeting and I met these people. They all knew me. And as old Dan said, "Christ, if you don't say 'hello' to them, they will think something is wrong." So I did.
But it was all on my own accord and trying to do an act I thought might help somebody.
Mr. McCann. Would you be kind enough to develop a little bit what you said with respect to the age and the problems of the carpenters to him? In other words, I would like for you to give to us the benefit of what it means to a union man who has been in a union 20 or 25 years if he should lose his status.
Mr. Casey. I said to "Hutch," "My God, 'Hutch,' if those fellows go off and join something else and go to work, they are going to lose all of their benefits under your organization," which, as I understand, is sickness and disability and even if they get so tough, they have a home down at Lakeland, Fla., they maintain that they can go there.
"If he goes joining anything else and goes into the studios, and conditions get bad, they will be the first ones laid off. Where are they going to work? Your card allows them to work anywhere in the United States and Canada. The lA card in that studio allows them to work in that studio. Now, what the hell are they going to do ?"
Mr. McCann. What did he say to that?
Mr. Casey. He said, "That is their trouble."
Mr. McCann. Would it be a fair summary of your conversation with Mr. Hutcheson to say that he manifested complete indifference to the welfare of his union members who were on strike in the movie industry ?
Mr. Casey. I would say that it would.
Mr. McCann. Did Mr. Hutcheson make any demand that the carpenters are not entitled to under their collective-bargaining agreement of July 2, 1946?
Mr. Casey. I did not quite get
Mr. Price. That calls for a conclusion.
Mr. McCann. I am going to ask you whether it calls for it or not. I am going to read it again.
Mr. Casey, I didn't understand the question.
Mr. McCann. Did Mr. Hutcheson make any demand that the carpenters are not entitled to under their collective-bargaining agreement of July2, 194G?
Mr. Casey. He made no demand at all regarding it.
Mr. McCann. Have you ever heard Mr. Hutcheson nuiking any demand that the carpenters are not entitled to under their collecivebai-gainiug agreement of July 2, 1946?
Mr. LuDDY. May the record show that was asked as a question of Mr. Cobb's, Mr. McCann?