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242 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
Mr. Arnold. That's rifrht. He never referred to the decision of the arbitration board. Pie always loferred to the chiritication.
Mr. McCann. That was the directive?
Mr. Arnold. Rifjht.
Mr. ]McCaxx. Did you a(hnit in those conversations that he had forced this clarification?
Mr. Arnold. No, sir; we didn't ask him that.
Mr. McCann. Did you ever tell him that the three men wdio acted as arbitrators had said he had virtually forced them to make this modification?
Mr. Arnold. No ; I don't remember that ; no.
Mr. McCann. Did he ever indicate that he would permit the local to do what it pleased and that he would not interfere ?
Mr. Arnold. Yes, sir.
Mr. ]\1cCann. Tell us about that.
Mr. Arnold. I don't remember much about that. The onlv thing Hutcheson said was, "Let them settle it, if they can. out there."'
]\Ir. McCann. Did he say that the local carpenters were free to do that?
Mr. Arnold. I doubt very much if he would have made that remark if he didn't feel they were free to do it.
Mr. McCann. In other words, did it occur to you from talkino to him that he was endeavoring to avoid yielding something on a national basis, but Avas willing to yield something on a local basis?
Mr. Arnold. Well, every indication in his conversation with us would lead me to believe that ; yes.
]Mr. McCann. As long as he didn't have to act.
Mr. Arnold. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCann. Did he ever make a statement that he was willing to settle the problem with Walsh when Walsh surrendered the right to do all woodwork and substitutes for woodwork? It seems to me somewhere I heard that statement made.
Mr. Arnold. I think Mr. Reagan mentioned it this morning.
Mr. Somerset. Pardon me. I was not in any of these discussions before the "Battle of Chicago."
Mr. McCann. You w^ere only in the "Battle of Chicago'' between the two
Mr. Arnold. Yes.
Mr. McCann. Mr. Reagan, did Mr, Hutcheson say to you, when you were having your conference with him, "This thing can be easily settled if Mr. Walsh will just give up all jurisdiction on woodwork or wood substitutes"?
Mr. Reacjan. No, sir; Mi'. Hutcheson oidy kept referring to the August directive. Mr. Walsh would give in on the August directive. I think the meeting I mentioned earlier, that Jack Dales reported here, before we went to Chicago — Cambiano had uttered the statement that he said everything that was wood or Avood substitutes belonged to the car])enters.
Mr. M(<^ANN. That was Cambiano and not Hutcheson?
Mr. Reagan. That's right.
Mr. McCann. Have you any light to thiow on that. Mr. Somerset?
Mr. Somerset. The first week end of the convention is when Ronnie and most of them left and went back to Hollywood, leaving Mr. Arnold and myself, and instructing us to do our best to get hold of