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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 279
]Mr. Birthright. Mv. Pliitcheson never spoke to me in his life personally about this case.
Mr. McCann. Never in his life?
Mr. Birthright. Xot personally about it ; no.
Mr. McCanx. Did he tell anyone else to tell you what to do ?
]Mr. Birthright. He did not.
Mr. McCann. No pressure was brought to bear upon you, sir ?
Mr. Birthright. No, sir.
Mr. McCann. All right. Now then, after the clarification had been issued, I guess you gentlemen realize that that is when another war started, don't you ?
Mr. Doherty. That is correct.
Mr. McCann. And the American Federation of Labor insisted tliat you meant for them to continue — excuse me. Everybody is A. F. of L. I forgot that.
Mr. DoHERTT. We would like to see it that way, anyway.
Mr. McCann. As I recall it, after the clarification in August there was a mandate issued b}' the council, the Conference of Studio Unions, that the carpenters should have the right to construct and erect sets on stages, and that was turned down by the production companies on the ground that, if they gave it to them, they would be violating the directive of December 26, 1945.
Would you mind stating whether that is true or false ?
jSIr. Doherty. IVIr. Chairman and Counsel, that is one question I am sure that no member of the committee can answer because we know nothing about any such mandate. It is the first time this afternoon that I am unable to make answers simplj^ because I don't know.
Mr. McCann. I wasn't referring to the mandate, that you should have to answer with respect to the mandate. We will strike it now and get to it in another way later.
You are aware, I assume, that following your clarification that there was a great deal of argument back and forth out here in Hollywood as to what you meant ?
Mr, Doherty. That is correct. We are aware of that fact.
Mr. McCann. And you did have a telephone conversation with various of the Screen Actors Guild, did you not ?
Mr. Doherty. No ; I did not.
Mr. Arnold. He wasn't there. He was in Europe.
]Mr. INIcCann. Well, I will turn that question over to Mr. Knight and Mr. Birthridge. Did you have a telephone conversation, Mr. Knight and Mr. Birthright, with the Screen Actors Guild?
]Mr. Knight. We did. I don't know who they all belonged to.
]Mr. JNIoCann. You recall the conversation that was had ?
Mr. Knight. Some of it.
Mr. McCann. For your benefit, Mr. Knight, I will say that we know they told you at the time there was a court reporter taking down the conversation and that record has been introduced in evidence. You remember that conversation, do you not, Mr. Birthright ?
Mr. Birthright. I remember the telephone call. I don't know who was on the other end, except Eddie Arnold.
yir. McCann. Which one of you sent the telegram to Murphy ?
Mr. Birthright. I did.
Mr. McCann. You sent it to him changing part of the telephone conversation of the night before ?