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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 361
What I am trying to do now, you see, we haA-e heard these two sets of witnesses on what took phice in Chicago at the convention, so will yon try to tell ns now what was said to you and what you said to others in regard to this clarification of the original directive?
Mr. SoRRELL. Well, that is what I am trying to do.
Mr. McCanx. If you have anything that would be by way of explanation and if you have anything to add in regard to ithe conversations, I want you to bring it in.
Mr. SoRRELL. Naturally I talked to Green.
Mr. McCann. What did Green say ?
Mr. SoRRELL. Green said it was up to the committee. He shoved it onto the committee. The committee didn't try to dodge any issues^ though. They didn't shove it back at Green.
And I spoke to Meany and he said, "You people should get together out there and settle things."
Mr. McCanx. There are two main issues here, as I get it, that have been testified to in a conflicting way by the committee of vice president of the Screen Actors Guild.
Tell me this, Mr. Sorrell: Was anything said to you about thenbeing ready to pass in their resignations, or about their having their resignations ?
Mr. SoRRELL. Yes; that rings pretty clear to me, too.
Mr. McCann. Would you tell us about that?
Mr. Sorrell. I can tell you some of it, and they didn't say it to me in the way that they were going to resign or had their resignations,
Mr. McCann. What did they say ?
Mr. Sorrell. Oh, I think it was either Mr. Doherty or Mr. Birthright who said, "Before anybody will force me to do anything that is not right, they can have my resignation." But he didn't say that anybody was forcing him, but he said, "Before anyone can force me to change my opinions and render a different decision, they could have my resignation. I went out there and tried to do a job." And he was very insistent in that, he didn't say that in the tone that the actors said, "I'm going to resign; I've got my resignation in my pocket." He said that in a tone to convice me that everything was all right and that he was a man who would stand on his word, and if some strange power should say that he must do this or get out, he would get out.
Now, the interpretation that rang clear to me, that I got — words are words, but meanings are different. The words that they used have certain meanings, but you turn them a little bit and they have another meaning. And that is the trouble ; that is the misunderstanding. I think I came back with a clearer picture, and the actors evidently thought they came back with a clear picture, and I still think I am right.
Mr. McCann. All right. Now, let's have this : Was anything said to you by the three vice presidents who served on this committee about the pressures that had been brought to bear upon them by Big Bill Hutcheson ?
Mr. Sorrell. There was something said to me about pressure pertaining to this case, but not by Big Bill Hutcheson.
Certainly there was pressure. They said, "There is so much pressure, they sent a lot of big-shot actors here to pressure us, we were