Jurisdictional disputes in the motion-picture Industry : hearings before a special subcommittee of the Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first-session, pursuant to H. Res. 111 (1948)

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376 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Kearns. Rut they came out hei'e with millwork, in their mindSy as work done under a roof some place, and moved out some place. Mr. ISIcCann. I know, but in this case the stage has a house erected on it because the house is going to be used in this set. Would the erection of that house come under the carpenters or under the lATSE? Could you tell me, Mr. Dohcrty? Mr. DoHERTY. Let me put it this way, Mr. Chairman : Counsel is asking us questions which he has admittedly stated were prepared for him, undoubtedly by experts in the field. We have no hesitancy about answering any question or submitting ourselves to this Tennyson's brook interrogation. We said in the beginning, and we repeat now, Mr. Chaii-man, we will give your committee full and complete cooperation. I repeat that now. When we limited our explanation, Mr. Chairman, to Paramount, it does not mean we did not take into consideration the other studios and the other lots, I believe they call them. We asked each of the witnesses whenever the occasion warranted just how was it done at MGM or Warner Bros., but the only studio we visited was Paramount. Now, I am recalling from memory exclusively, and I may be wrong, but my memory is there was a very difficult dispute over this very question that counsel now has placed into the record or directed to us. I recall as we moved through the studios we would say, "Whose work is this?" And we would point to such a boat. And I recall that the lA man would say, "That is ours." And the carpenter man ^ould sav, "Xo, no r that beloncfs to us." We would say, "Who built it?" "Well, up until a certain time ago we built it. But now they do it." That was before our directive was handed down, Mr. Chairman, and counsel. "But now they do it. It has been taken away from us by management or someone else." We were shown some boats that, as memory serves me, were built by carpenters and some that were built by lA men. That is mj memory. Mr. ivNiGHT. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Kearns. Yes; Mr. Knijrht. Mr. McCann. That is exactly what I am concerned about. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Kearns. Mr, Knight wanted to add something to that. Mr. McCann. Proceed, Mr. Knight. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Mr. Knight. That is all right. You said something about some of these studios not having shops of sufficient size, indicating this might have been done outside, some of it. I think that has been done. I served an apprenticeship as a carpenter. My knowledge of millwork is that millwork is millwork, whether it is done in the cellar or the first floor or second or third floor or the front or back yard — it is millwork. Mr. McCann. It is your judgment, then, Mr. Knight, it doesn't make any difi'erence where the job is done, if it is carpentry work, in the sense that you mean by millwork, it goes to the carpenters; is that correct? Mr. Knight. Yes, sir. It says all millwoi-k, and that is "all." I think that covers everything. Just like a Mother Hubbard.