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418 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
the studio there had been discussed this matter between Colonel Joy and Darryl Zanuck and someone else. They were displeased.
He said in his estimation I was right in the position I had taken in everything I said.
There was a telephone call from Mr. Luddy to my superior, president of the university, asking if he could come out to talk to my superior about me.
The position taken by my superior, as he reported it to me, was, I think, a very fair one. He told me he told Mr. Luddy — he suggested that Mr. Luddy talk to me. And Mr. Luddy told him he did not want to talk to me. He wanted to talk to him about me.
My superior told Mr. Luddy he was perfectly free to come out and talk to him about anything except me. And he was perfectly free to talk to me about me, but not to come out and talk to my superior about me.
His reaction indicated to me — I couldn't understand why this anger, why this effort to stop any movement in this' direction if it were true the producers and the lATSE were amenable to any honest proposals to settle the thing. Even if they thought the proposals could not be effectively carried, out, they should have been agreeable to make some gesture of willingness to sit down and talk about them instead of trying to immediately stop the whole movement.
Following this the screen actors. Screen Writers Guild published a two-page advertisement, at their own expense, in the Hollywood Variety, — I don't have a copy of it — in which they repeated the proposals I had made. They published a telegram they had sent to the producers asking them to respond. "What is your response to these proposals?" and stating in the advertisement that the Conference of Studio Unions had agreed, expressed unqualified acceptance. The producers had made no response. Concluding this, in the advertisement, that in view of this failure to respond to these various proposals of any kind, they were forced to conclude what existed in their industry was a lock-out of the workers. The next development
Mr. McCaxn. Just a moment, please. I would like to ask if that can be procured for the record.
Father Dunne. I think I gave Mr. Cobb a copy.
Mr. McCann. I would like to have that received in the record for reference pur^jose, purely to give us the speech you referred to awhile ago.
Mr. Kearns. We will recess for 10 minutes.
(Short recess taken.)
Mr. Kearns. The hearing will come to order.
Father Dunne. Mr. Chairman, may I correct an erroneous statement ?
Mr. IvEARNS. No objection.
Father Dunne, The very beginning I stated that Mr. Daniel Marshall had been counsel for the lATSE. That was a careless statement. He Avas not counsel for the lATSE. He was counsel, I believe, for one of the lATSE locals here in Los Angeles before the Willie Bioff era.
Now, the next efforts that were made by outsiders to bring these parties together was made by the two official appointees of the Catholic archdiocese in Los Angeles. Monsignor Devlin, who is the Catholic