Jurisdictional disputes in the motion-picture Industry : hearings before a special subcommittee of the Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first-session, pursuant to H. Res. 111 (1948)

MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 421 already back to work, except the carpenters and the painters. He couldn't understand why the decision of the three-man committee had not been carried out. He said he had done everything possible. He had appointed a three-man committee and he had directed them — the council directed them — to clarify their original directive and that should settle it. He just couldn't understand. I think I must say, since I am committed to tell the whole truth, though I am very reluctant to inject this note into the hearing at all, because I don't — it is an issue that has been used to obscure the real issues of this thing throughout. I am happy it has been kept out of the hearing. It does not bear upon the issues. I did get the impression that Mr. Green's confused attitude, as it appeared to me in this, was largely due to the fact he had been told that the Conference of Studio Unions' people were all Communists and that, naturally, despite the fact that clarification was on the side of the carpenters, that he, because of his sincere and genuine opposition to communism, was reluctant to make a clear-cut statement in which he would be taking sides with a group of people who had been described to him as Communists. I of course discussed that with him, because my own knowledge of the people involved and so on, is that I am completely convinced and always have been that is not a genuine issue in this case. I know the Conference of Studio Unions people. I know there are Communists, undoubtedly, in the CSU, as there are in the lATSE and almost every other group in the country. It is not a Communist group and not Communist led. That, however, did seem to confuse the thing to Mr. Green, so I accomplished nothing with Mr. Green. I saw Mr. Kearns, Mr. McCann, Mr. Hartley, as these gentlemen know, and discussed with them the Hollywood situation and the matter of the investigation. The only other thing of interest that happened on my trip east is I also talked with Mr. Casey in New York about the investigation. And after that, on my way back, I decided on my own to go to Indianapolis with the hope of seeing Mr. Hutcheson. He had not been in Washington. He left the day before I arrived. I was unable to see him. It had not occurred to me, up to this point, I hadn't been thinking of the three-man committee. It had not occurred to me to see them, but I telephoned — Mr. Casey, I must say, had told me in New York Mr. Hutcheson was not in Indianapolis, but was some place up in the woods on a vacation hunting. However, I telephoned Indianapolis from Chicago and spoke with Mr. Morris Hutcheson, who is first vice president — I think he is a vice president, anyway — of the carpenter' brotherhood, and I thought it might be worth while to go see Mr. Morris Hutcheson, vice president of the union, and Mr. Bill Hutcheson's son, to try to clarify certain points I myself was bothered about. I went to Indianapolis and then I suddenly realized that Mr. Birthright was also located in Indianapolis, and decided to go and see him. I saw him and I described the other day the gist of my conversation with Mr. Birthright. I will only add this to that about my talk with Mr. Birthright. With reference to Mr. Hutcheson, Mr. Birthright did mention Mr. Hutcheson numerous times in the conversation, but at no time did I