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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 543
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ence of Studio Unions. At that time we — Morris Hiitcheson came out here — and Morris Hiitcheson sat in with the committee.
They tried to arrive at some workable arbitration plan here, and they had a plan practically worked out. Morris Hutcheson agreed in behalf of the Brotherhood of Carpenters that he would sign the arbitration plan, and, as has been testified, Mr. Keenan had been selected as the arbitrator.
Mr. McCann. Mr. Who?
Mr. Skelton. Mr. Keenan.
Mr. McCann. Yes.
Mr. Skelton. And he was present at the meetings. And Mr. Walsh was in town. President Walsh, of the lATSE was in town about that time, or just toward the end of the meetings. And a meeting was arranged between him and Morris Hutcheson,
We felt that everything was going to be all right, and when Morris Hutcheson came out of the meeting he called me to. the hotel and he said he had a meeting with President Walsh of the lATSE, and that President Walsh said that before any arbitration plan would be agreed upon here, that William L. Hutcheson would have to interchange a letter, or at least the Brotherhood of Carpenters International would have to exchange a letter between his organization and theirs, that they would accept the 1945 directive.
And that the carpenters would have to withdraw from the' Conference of Studio Unions. He said he didn't feel then that they could get together at the present time, but he stood ready to return and assist in any way he could, of any problems that we might be able to develop out here.
Mr. McCann. That is Mr. Morris Hutcheson?
Mr. Skelton. Morris Hutcheson, first vice president of the carpenters. Keenan returned to Chicago, and soon after that I was in Chicago for just a half-hour in changing trains, and I met Keenan there. Keenan asked me if I would have a meeting with Mr. Brewer in regards to this on the coast.
I told him I would. When I came back I reported that to the local union. There was mucli talk about it. until finally Mr. Keenan sent me a wire telling me that Mr. Brewer would not — didn't feel any good could be accomplished by that type of a meeting, and therefore was the reason he didn't want to meet with me.
And that Mr. Keenen said he was sorry he did not advise me of this sooner — or should have advised me of tliis sooner.
We had one other meeting with the producers that we requested at that time. The results were similar to the first meeting we had with the producers. They left with the understanding that we would be welcome to have a meeting an}' time we wanted to, but it was their opinion that it would be foolish to settle this on a local basis, that they would have to settle with William L. Hutcheson and they felt that no other settlement would be ]Dractical here.
Mr. McCann. In other words, there were two meetings with tlie producers, then ?
Mr. Skelton. There were two meetings with the producers after the lock-out, and after the trip the producers made to New York.
Mr. McCann. After they made that trip they requested the first meeting?