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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 551
reason I did not sifjn it at that time, nor President Walsh, was because 1 liad an understanding with President Walsh that whatever came out of the negotiations here locally we would present it to the two internationals, namely. President AValsh and President Hutcheson.
The committee had entered into it and the contract was satisfactory, and there was no opposition to the president signing it. The only reason it wasn't signed, after we disagreed in conference over the props the matter was referred to the three vice presidents and, of course^ you know what happened thereafter. They received far more than what they expected. They told me themselves, "Why," he says, "the three-mail committee gave us far more than we ever expected," and therefore that was it.
Now, I did have a representative of local 80, Mr. Barrett, come into the hotel to see me one day. He asked if I would not release him from that committee — of that agreement. His objective and reason, as I understood it at the time, was the grips did not want any other groups to take on that work.
He said to me, "I will be willing to put your carpenters on if you release that contract."
Of course, I had no intention of releasing it. And I asked him. "Well, 3^ou made a statement you would be glad to put our carpenters on to do the w^ork." I says, "What is the hitch? Let us have it."
He said, "Naturally, to expect them to take out a card in the lATSE.'^
As a representative of the Brotherhood of Carpenters, I certainly would never agree to anything of that sort, particularly after having ordered our people to relinquish one of the two cards they were using to do the work that rightly belonged to them.
]Maybe I should make that a little clearer, INIr. Chairman. For a consideralde period of time, our members were carrying a brotherhood and an lATSE card. That was not only with the carpenters, but with a number of other crafts.
I looked into the situation after I was sent in here, and while months rolled by, that was one of the main issues I took up with the general president of the Brotherhood of Carpenters, Mr. William L. Hutcheson, that in my estimation we were making a mistake to permit our membership to carry two cards to do the work that rightly belonged to the carpenters.
He told me to see to it at once that that practice was stopped. Local 946 received that instruction and they immediately notified all of those that they knew were carrying two cards, and they were told to at once discontinue it.
xA^nd I think with the exception of maybe three or four or a half a dozen at the outside they all relinquished the lA cards.
Mr. Kearns. Mr. Cambiano. at this point, what is the authority of the president of the American Federation of Labor?
Mr. Cambiano. Mr. Green ?
Mr. Kearns. Yes, sir.
Mr. Cambiano. Well, I don't know^ if I am qualified to answer that,, other than to say in my estimation it is more of a clearance house. I might state, however
Mi\ Kearxs. For the vice presidents ? Is it a clearinghouse for the vice presidents?
Mr. Cambiano. No ; it is coordinating headquarters of all the international unions.