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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 557
agreement between the lATSE and the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners and the American Federation of Labor.
Mr. Kearns. Pardon me there at that point. You say it has never been approved by the American Federation of Labor.
Mr. Cambiano. That is the encroachment part of it. In other words, they did not approve of any encroachment of our jurisdiction as to the work that we were doing.
The letter here specifically states that.
Mr. Kearns. You mean by that, wlien the council learned of it, if those facts should appear before them, they did not approve of the situation ?
Mr. Cambiano. Well, it says they never have approved of it.
Mr. Kearns. Well, was it ever brought to their attention?
Mr. Cambiano. Oh, I presume it has. I would think that it has.
Mr. Kearns. What did they do about it then, if it was discussed? Did tliey just leave it go on ?
Mr. Cambiano. No ; I don't think that is exactly correct. I think that there is many, many meetings we were in when these turmoils came up, they tried to get the two international presidents together and tried to iron out their differences. That has always been the practice where there is a jurisdictional dispute which is not settled locally, it has been referred to the two international presidents to settle among themselves.
Mr. Kearns. Then they do so if they elect to do so ?
Mr. Cambiano. The}' should do so, and in most instances they have been settled, the disputes with them.
Mr. McCann. Well, they didn't in this case.
Mr. Cambiano. No ; and I am giving you the reasons.
Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, may I ask how many more pages he is going to read?
Mr. Cambiano. I have about five more pages.
Mr. McCann. You see, we have already received in evidence all the papers that you presented to the three-man committee, so the main thing I don't want to do is duplicate the record here with respect to the three-man committee. If this is just your statement that you gave to the three-man committee?
Mr. Cambiano. That is right.
Mr. McCann. We want to have it.
Mr. Cambiano. That is right.
Mr. McCann. Will you proceed, then?
Mr. Cambiano. Encroachment has grown to a major proportion since 1941, until at the present time property men's local 44 claims the jurisdiction over the making, maintaining, and repairing, including operation of woodworking machinery, all movable wood or wood substitute products used in the production of motion pictures, including only permanent construction building and maintenance of same. And local 44 now claims jurisdiction over making of all furniture, sets, and so forth, which can be or are movable. This includes not only the making of furniture and miniature sets, but also the construction of railroad cars, airplanes, and so forth. It is this deliberate encroachment program which this board of arbitration has been appointed to rule upon. Certain jurisdictional matters have also been in existence between the United Brotherhood and Motion Picture