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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 603
Mr. McCann. You don't know how many ?
Mr. WuRTZEL. No, sir. Of course, I don't know, there were quite a few card men and quite a few permittees.
Mr. McCann. How many were lA's ?
Mr. WuRTZEL. All of them.
Mr. McCann. Do you know whether the program used by you was part of a general pattern used by all the major companies?
Mr. WuRTZEL. That I don't know. As a matter of fact, I never communicated with any other studio as to how they were running their work, or I don't think anybody ever asked me as to how I was running my work.
Mr. McCann. I don't think that is a fair question. He works for one company.
Were the permittees all permittees of the lATSE ?
Mr. WuRTZEL. That is right.
Mr. McCann. Any other questions, gentlemen?
The witness is excused, Mr. Chairman.
We would now like to call the second boss above him ; Mr. Meyer.
TESTIMONY OF FRED S. MEYER, STUDIO EXECUTIVE, TWENTIETH CENTURY-FOX FILM CORP., LOS ANGELES, CALIF.
[lu his appearance before the subcommittee on August 6, 1947, in the investigation of James C. Petrillo, the American Federation of Musicians, et al., Mr. Meyer identified liimself as Fred S. Meyer, studio executive in charge of industrial relations and personnel at Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp., Los Angeles, Calif.; office address, 10201 West Pico; telephone Crestview 6-2211.]
Mr. Kearns. You have been sworn, Mr. Meyer. Take the chair.
Mr. McCann. Mr. Meyer, you have heard the testimony of the last witness in which he stated that he received his orders from — do you recall who the man was?
Mr. Meter. Mr. Klune.
Mr. McCann. I asked him who was above Mr. Klune, and he stated you were.
Mr. Meyer. No, he didn't. He stated that Mr. Klune got his orders from me.
Mr. McCann. From you?
Mr. Meyer. That is right.
Mr. McCann. Did you give the orders to Mr. Klune ?
Mr. Meyer. I did.
Mr. McCann. Which were then given to Mr. Wurtzel.
Mr. Meyer. In fact, I was present at the time.
JNIr. McCann. Now, from whom did you get your orders?
Mr. Meyer. I can't call them orders. I received a legal interpretation as regards procedure from our attorney, Mr. Alfred Wright, who is the corporation attorney for Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp.
Mr. Kearns. Mr. Counsel, I object to that answer, for this reason, that counsel as a rule are not giving production orders in any plant. The orders must come down from somebody who is in charge of operation of the plant.
Mr. Meyer. Well, then, they came from me.
Mr. Kearns. All right.
Mr. McCann. Now, did you consult with Mr. Alfred Wright?