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626 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
]\Ir. Mannix. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCann. Xow, would you, in j'our own Avords, then tell me what the painters and the carpenters asked for when you met them for the purposes of collective bar^niining?
Mr, Mannix. After the date we were in New York, I never met with the carpenters or the painters,
]\Ir, JVIcCann, You didn't meet with them ?
Mr, Mannix, No,
Mr. McCann. You didn't take any part in that ?
JSIr. Mannix. I took no part in the conference.
Mr. IMcCann. Let's forget that and go to the meeting of July 22, 1947. At tliat date you again made a trip to New York with Mr. Freeman, Mr. Boren, and Mr. Benjamin, Did Mr. Walsh and Mr. Brewer go with you on that triJD ?
Mr. Mannix. I think that is the meeting you referred to in j^our previous designation of dates.
Mr. McCann. I thought I had referred to April 5, sir.
Mr, Mannix. I think that my memory serves me right, and there was only one trip to New York on that. It was one or tlie other of two dates. It was either April 5 or the July date.
Mr. McCann. Were they with you on both trips, because this has been furnished to me by your counsel, this list of trips you took to New York, and you seem to have been a traveling man in those days?
Mr. Mannix. If there was some record of what was discussed at this July date — I don't just recall a July meeting, Mr. McCann. It is very possible — July 26 ?
Mr." ]McCann. July 22, sir.
Mr, Mannix, Twenty-second, That is a month ago.
Mr. McCann, Yes,
Mr, Mannix. My memory should serve me back for a month.
Mr. McCann. Do you recall that? Your counsel said it had nothing to do with this.
Mr. Mannix. We met. It had nothing to do with this particular question that has been going on ; had nothing to do with it at all.
Mr. McCann. It was the April 5 meeting where you discussed whether or not you should meet with the carpenters, and so forth ?
Mr. Mannix. That is right.
Mr. McCann. Mr. Mannix, we come back to a problem we have been discussing here this morning with the other witnesses, and we have had some rather interesting stories from individuals to the etfect that members of the carpenters' union have been brought from different place to the lots where they were asked and assigned jobs on what was known as hot sets; and then were paid off as soon as the}' refused to work on those hot sets.
Now, we had a witness this morning — I have forgotten his name — from your organization. And a Mr. Walsh said that you were his immediate superior on that date and he was instructed to assign these carpenters to work on hot sets, and that after assigning them to these hot sets they walked off — approximately 200 carpenters, I believe. And then the next day he stated approximately the same thing happened to 175 painters.
Now, Mr. Mannix, the question I want to ask you is : Was that done on your judgment alone, or was it done on the judgment of a group, or by agreement between a group, or several people ?