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628 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
with the lA unions. We assigned them to jobs and they refused to do them, and we hiid them off.
It is right that one day there was a lot of assignments. We assigned a lot of jobs to men and they refused to do them, and they were asked to leave the i^remises. The records will show that. 1 think it will show 120. 125 at Metro.
ISIr. McCanx. Now, we get down to this point : I haven't any doubt, because the evidence clearly and conclusively shows that some men were laid off before the 2od, but we have now definite proof, I think, Ave can say, that on the 2od in the major studios large groups of carpenters, some of whom hadn't done a day's work in carpentry for 15 or 20 years, were assigned to carpenter work on hot sets, and they were all laid off on that day unless the}^ were off on vacation. There was some other excuse for it ; is that true ?
Mr. Mannix. Mr. McCann, I don't think that is quite a statement of fact, they never did carpentry work for 15 years.
Mr. ]\IcCaxx. We have had testimony to that effect.
Mr. Mannix. I think the assignment of work may not have been carpentry work of building sets. They must have been doing carpentry work to be on the job they were on.
Mr. McCann. Some of these men, Mr. ]Mannix — -I am not trying to take advantage of you, I am dealing with you over the table — have testified they have been assistant superintendents, they have directed work, they have laid out carpentry work for others to do. And as a result, they haven't had to do any personal carpentry work for many years.
And either one or two of these men testified yesterda}' that they were asked to work on the hot sets.
Mr. Mannix. Well, Mr. McCann, this may seem very strange, but I had no knowledge of that until you told me. The kind of men I thought you were referring to were the men doing maintenance work around the studio. This is the first time I have heard of what you have just said. I don't deny it may have happened. I couldn't testify one way or the other for it.
Mr. McCann. Now, Mr. Mannix, we have had this testimony, and I want to check with you on it : We have had testimony that the order went out and was executed that on the 23d of December every member of local 946 of the carpenters union was to be assigned a hot set and if he didn't do that work on that day he was to be discharged. Was that true, in your plant ?
Mr. Mannix. I don't think that the question of every member of 946 was to be assigned a hot set, and discharged, was ever used.
I think that in our discussions we said we would assign to carpenters carpentry work to do. And if they refused to do it, they would be asked to leave the premises.
Mr. McCann. When did that discussion take place ?
Mr. Mannix. I would think it took place sometime 2 or 3 days prior to the 2od.
Mr. McCann. And who was there ?
Mr. Mannix. The labor committee.
Mr. McCann. All of them were there ?
Mr. Mannix. I presume they were all there. It was quite an important meeting.