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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 641
Mr. Keaens. Mr. Knight, I hold you responsible to do your utmost to furnish this committee with that record.
Mr. Knight. I can request President Green to furnish it.
Mr. Kearns. Yes. If you can't get it, I will know it can't be gotten.
Mr. Knight. I will request Mr. Green to furnish to you or Mr. McCann that information.
Mr. Kearns. All right, sir.
Now, right following that, Mr. Counsel, then, where was the decision rendered, the interpretation of the decision to gentlemen like Mr. Mannix, as to how they could act? Who rendered the interpretation of the directive ?
Mr. McCann. You mean the interpretation of the original decision ?
Mr. Kearns. Yes; which they say they never intended to be that way, to take work rightfully away from some man that was historically his.
Mr. McCann. I think that ought to be directed to Mr. Mannix, who rendered that interpretation.
Mr. Mannix. It is referred to as the clarification.
Mr. Kearns. Wait a minute. What I am trying to get at here is, did the council do this for the movie industry, or did management doit?
Mr. JNIannix. What is that, Congressman ? I don't quite
Mr. Kearns. Decide that the work would be taken away from the carpenters and given to the lA ?
Mr. Mannix. I think the directive itself — mangement is the only one that could interpret that. You call on your attorneys to interpret that directive — set erection was set erection. It described set erection on the stages.
I think that was what the lines are, with the exception of — they made an exception of what you could do on the stages. You couldn't put mill or trim work — be put on by the set erectors. It was an obvious conclusion. It had what they could not do. They could do everything else but this. That is what the directive reads. They can build the sets on the stage, but they couldn't put the mill and trim work on them. it was conclusive at the time. At least, it is my interpretation of the directive, with the exclusion of mill and trim work, the other work was for the set erectors.
Mr. Kjearns. When I went through the studios, the carpenters said, "We used to do that [indicating] . We didn't do that after the directive."
Mr. Mannix. I agree with you. I think before the directive, most of that work was done by the carpenters.
Mr. Kearns. The other fellow said, "It was always mine."
Mr. Mannix. The carpenters ?
Mr. Kearns. No, the lA boys.
Mr. Mannix. It all depends on what kind of a set you have. If it was a ship or bar, it all depends on what kind of a set. There has always been a dispute over sets put on rockers, movable sets, sets that have an effect in them that you tip them or roll them over or have water come down on them. It is a classification there that is pretty fine, is a fine demarcation.
Mr. Kearns. Mr. Counsel, I may be a little dense here. There is one thing I want to clear up, and that is this : Mr. Knight said that they
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