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642 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
never intended to take work away from a man when that work was historically his. But when the directive was interpreted, either by management or the advice of management, that it may have had, they did take some of the work away from the carpenters that was historically theirs. Isn't that correct ?
Mr. McCann. Indubitably. No question about it. That was all brought up by Mr. Mannix at that hearing; it was going to take the work aAvay from 350 carpenters.
Mr. Mannix. When you get down to a degree. Mr. Congressman, what degree of work are you going to take away
Mr. Kearns, Who decides it then?
Mr. Mannix. Well, I think the directive is explicit in itself.
Mr. Kearns. You are challenging then from the witness stand the directive as not being self-explanatory ?
Mr. Mannix. I think it is self-explanatory.
Mr. McCann. I hate to stop this hearing, but it has become so terrifically dense in here
Mr. Kearns. I was just going pretty good. We will have a 10minute recess. I am going to ask everybody to get out and let the air circulate a little bit.
(Short recess taken.)
Mr. Kearns. The hearing will come to order.
We were right at that point, and I think you had an answer to give me.
Mr. Mannix. I would like at this time, if I may, to clear up what may be a misunderstanding of my testimony.
I would like to go back and recite for the record the trip to New York in April. We went back there, Mr. Freeman, myself, and several others, to meet with the presidents of the companies and decide on a procedure.
We met and came to a decision that we were going to reopen negotiations with the carpenters, painters, and other members of the CSU.
We later that day met with Mr. AValsh. ]\Ir. Brewer, and Judge Levy. At that meeting we advised Mr. Walsh that we were going to reopen negotiations with the carpenters. Judge Levy opposed this most strenuously. We should negotiate with the lA and the carpenters. But we had come to a conclusion in the forenoon with our presidents, and so told Mr. Walsh, Mr. Brewer, and Judge Levy.
We left for California immediately after that.
Mr. McCann. I have three or four more questions to ask. I understand you have urgent business elsewhere, and I will try to finish up with these questions by Mr. Esterman.
You have said you don't recall any hot set declarations by the lATSE. In the early part of 1940 did not the lATSE declare certain camera work hot because the I. A. of INI. men worked on them, and did this not result in the firing of lA of MCSU men ?
]Mr. Mannix. That is a different question than I was asked previouslv, which I answered. The question was asked previously, did I recall of any lA men being, discharged for not working on a hot set ? That is a completely different question.
I want to get it straight, I was quoted answering a question which was not the question. I wish it would be corrected on the record. There were no lA men that I recall discharged for refusing to work on a hot set.