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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 827
So then we called Mr, Sclieiick and Pat Casey and I think Joe Vogel back in, and I explained what had happened, and Nick Schenck turned to Hiitcheson and he said, "Hutch, do you mean to tell me that you sit there like a man of iron and that jon won't bend at all in any way, shape, manner, or form ? I understand yesterday that Dick here gave away jurisdiction which he has had for a long time, and you tell me that you won't give away any jurisdiction, that you won't settle this, that you Imow the studios are closed down and you won't help to get them open?"
Hutch said, "I w:^nt all woodwork, all woodworking machinery, and all work on wood and wood substitutes. That is my jurisdiction and that is what I think I should have."
That is the first time I have seen Nick Schenck mad. He said, "Hutch, we have done business for many years and I have never asked you for anything, I have never had to ask you for anything. You have been always asking me, and every time that you asked I tried to deliver to you, and I did."
He said, "Do you realize that there is a war on at the present time ? Do you realize that we have on the shelves of our studios many pictures? We can run the theaters, but we are about 6 weeks ahead of the boys on the other side, because every picture that we make at Hollywood we put on 16-millimeter film and we ship it to the boys on the other side."
Now, he says, "I don't want you to think that I am patriotic— maybe T am and maybe I am not — but I think you will admit that the theater and stage is doing a good job for these boys and I want to keep the motion pictures going over there to them. Do you mean to tell me that you are going to stop them from going over there ?"
And again Hutcheson repeated his jurisdiction,
Nick Schenck said, "Well, you make us make a decision. You probably have as much money as you will ever want.'
He says, "I have as much money as I will ever want. And neither one of us will every have to work another day. But," he says, "there is a lot of people that just have to work." He says, "We make the decision now we are going to run the motion-picture studios in Hollywood," and the meeting broke up, and as we walked down the street Nick Schenck said to me, "Dick, do you think you can run the studios ?"
I said, "I don't know ; it is quite a job. There are some several thousands of people out of the studios ; there is quite a strike on out there. In the first place I don't want to fill the jobs of those people out there as long as they want to go to work. Now," I said, "I think we should go back to Hollywood and we should see if we can get the people back to work in Hollywood, and then if you can't get the people back to work in Hollywood, I think that we will try to run the studios."
Mr. Kearns. We will stand adjourned until 2 o'clock,
(Whereupon, at 11 : 55 a, m., a recess was taken until 2 o'clock of the same day.)
AFTERNOOX SESSION
Mr. Kearns. The hearing will come to order, please. Mr. Walsh, we would like you to continue where you left off and complete your testimony.