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862 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
Mr. "Walsh. I want to sa}^ to you, sir, that the first time I think that the three-man committee ever talked about history in tlie studios was when they were here. Never have I heard them say anything about the historical rights of any of these organizations, because as I said yesterday, if the}^ were talking about the history of the studios, they never Avould have given the set dressers to the painters, because 1 don't know of the painters having the set dressers before they were given to them out here.
Mr. McCann. I think that you have made some very important contributions factually to this investigation. Yesterdaj^, as I remember it, you made the statement that the three-man committee did not deal historically with these unions, but thej^ dealt with them on the basis of contractual agreements which they adopted and tried to put into eifect. Is that correct?
Mr. Walsh. They say so in their decision. It is written right in there, that that was the method that they used.
Mr. McCann. Now, can you recall an}' of the arguments these men gave you at that meeting, and can you recall anything that any one of them said?
Mr. Walsh. The three-man committee ?
Mr. McCanx. Yes.
Mr. Walsh. The three-man committee was very anxious to see that not one word of their decision was changed. They were just as mad about it as anybody else, and President Green was sort of the inbetween man trying to see if he could not have Hutcheson, and that is what this whole decision is and what the whole fight about it is.
Mr. McCann". Now, wait a minute. Either I made a mistake or you have given me an impression that was wrong. Do you me;xn to say that these three men did not try to get you to agree that there should be a different view taken with respect to their decision of December 26 ?
Mr. Walsh. Absolutely not.
Mr. McCann. Well, that was what I understood vou to sav a while
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Mr. Walsh. President Green was in between trying to see if he couldn't get us to pacify Hutcheson by helping him out. The decision was against him and he is the first vice president of the American Federation of Labor, and here is the three members of the council who have made a decision that has injured the first vice president.
Mr. McCann. Are we to understand, then, that at that meeting before the council came together, Mr. Green called you all in, let us say, as a representative of Mr. Hutcheson, if you please ?
Mr. Walsh. No ; he was the representative of the council, I think, as president of the American Federation of Labor.
Mr. McCann. But you said he was tr^-ing to get this thing done for Mr. Hutcheson.
Mr. Walsh. Just like this committee is trying to do certain things for the citizens of the United States and the labor unions.
Mr. McCann. Now, the point is, somebody had to call that meeting together. Now, we assume that you did not call the meeting of the three men and Mr. Green, did you ?
Mr. Walsh. No, sir.
Mr. McCann. Who initiated that meeting?