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980 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES
skilled. To the contrary, I will say, and I know it is indubitably correct, every one of these men have been requested and demanded, not only by the employer, by the heads of the departments who are associated and members of the union, who do the hiring.
Might I add something, Mr. Kearns? I think it is vital. It is definitely my opinion, though. The heads of departments in the make-up are, in other words, foremen. The foremen who are union members are at all times obligated to hire the union members. I cannot see, and I haven't been able to see for many years, how a foreman or a head of a department could be anything but an integral part of management. I am positive that is what has caused the divorcement between the management and the employees.
I believe it is undemocratic and we will not restore to democracy in industry until management puts in a representative representing management, to hire the help, to bring a closer tie between the employer and the employee. That is one of the reasons that we were fettered for these many years, because the union member who is the head of the department will take his journeymen, whether they are competent or qualified or not, before we can go to work ; even if the producer, the employer wanted to hire us, he couldn't. The head of the department will take off of his list — I mean — pardon me — the union will submit the list of available men, and there are plenty of those on the list, and they are allocated off to the different studios before the head of the department can pick up from that union the permit make-up artist he wants.
Mr. McCann. Well, you tell us now if you were ever bumped from a job?
Mr. DuMONT. Yes. There is a union rule that specifically is supposed to be abided by, that when a make-up artist is assigned to a picture, he is to stay on that assignment, because the make-up artist is taking care of the stars, the other principals in the cast and naturally he has the key to their make-up and nobody else has.
He starts the picture and he is to stay on that assignment. They carried out that rule for the journeymen, but not for the permit makeup artists. To cite my particular case
Mr. Kearns. Before going to that, a journeyman can come around and bump you ?
Mr. DuMONT. Yes, any time.
Mr, Kearns. That is true in a lot of unions, Mr. Counsel ; that carries down through where a man is an established member of a union he can bump what we call an extra worker. That is all through the country.
Mr. McCann. The point he is making, Mr. Chairman, that I was trying to bring out here, he is on a job, he is the make-up artist working with the stars, and in the midst of this work he is taken off of it to put in someone else because he is a permit man and they are regular.
Mr. Kearns. The journeyman belonging to that union may have been away and come back. He has the right to bid in a job. That is a fundamental policy through labor.
Mr. McCann. Do you think, Mr. Chairman, they should be able to do that against the wishes of industry?
Mr. Kearns, Well, that is highly debatable, Mr, Counsel, I think, there.