Jurisdictional disputes in the motion-picture Industry : hearings before a special subcommittee of the Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first-session, pursuant to H. Res. 111 (1948)

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1000 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Hays. I do not give those examinations. They are given by members that are make-up artists. Mr. McCann. Isn't it true since the formation of the union in 1937 up to March 1946 the local took in a total of 16 new members? Mr. Hays. That is not true. Mr. McCann. How many did they take in ? Mr. Hays. You didn't tell me to bring my records with me. All I am judging from is my mind. I know for a fact we have taken in — at least the figure in my mind is 32 make-up apprentices. Mr. Kearns. Mr. Counsel, he has the right to estimate. Mr. Hays. I think the figure he has there in his hand, alongside of you, will show 32. Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, all I can go on are these figures that are presented here. Mr. Hays. You are producing figures and yet you didn't advise me to bring any. Mr. McCann. My dear sir, I didn't know what questions I was going to ask you. I knew nothing about what your job was. I never saw you before. I had no idea what questions would be submitted to ask you. Mr. Hays. Then I can only estimate. Mr. McCann. If you give an estimate, that is all right. We will have to take your estimate. Mr. Hays. Might I say, along that line, this local since its formation has for years been the only lATSE local with an apprenticeship. We, being a professional local, realized we had to have an apprenticeship to build up our membership, when people would fall out or become of age when they no longer could carry on their duties. That was for a 3-year period, when we first started, and several members at that time took examinations. These apprentices, after serving 3 years right in the department, failed to pass those examinations, but they didn't bellyache about it; they took another one and they passed them. We have done that for years, and that is where those men come from that I spoke to you about — those 32. Now, when you cover — we only had 150 make-up artists when we began — and take in 32 members since that time, that is a pretty good percentage. Wlien I said the membership consisted of 361, you have me covering make-up artists and hair stylists and body make-up for women which embraces our entire local. Mr. McCann. I didn't understand that. I thought you were talking about make-up artists. Mr. Hays. Approximately 150 make-up artists. Mr. McCann. One hundred and fifty make-up artists. How many make-up artists were there, to start this union, 1937? Mr. Hays. I judge about 137 — 135. Mr. McCann. There have been how many make-up artists added to your union since then ? Mr. Hays. Thirty-two apprentices. Mr. McCann. Thirty -two apprentices? Mr. Hays. And now you are carrying me further into this year. Seventeen of these auxiliary permit men we have examined and found capable. Mr. McCann. Seventeen? Mr. Hays. That is correct.