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1058 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES were in. I urged that he sit down with Mr. Walsli. with Mr. Green, and with me or anyone else that he wished, and see if we could not resolve the difficulties and come to a mutual understanding and agree- ment. Mr. McCann. Now all of that was before or after you called the meeting of the presidents in New York ? Mr. Johnston. Before. Mr. McCann. When did you call the meeting of the presidents in New York? Mr. Johnston. I think it was called probably on the 11th; I am not sure. We met on the 12th. I am not sure of the date that we called it, frankly. Mr. McCann. It was between the 16th of August and the 11th or 12th of September that you saw Mr, Green and Mr. John L. Lewis and tried to get Mr. Hutcheson; is that correct? Mr. Johnston. Yes; between those periods I went to Hollywood. I was in Spokane, Wash., on August 16 and thereafter for a few days. I then Avent to Hollywood after I heard of this difficulty and met with several of the people there and discussed the matter with them. I then flew east. I got back here the latter part of August. I cannot tell you the exact date but it was around the 28th or the 29th of August. 1 then saw Mr. Green. Mr. Lewis, and talked to Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. Hutcheson refused to sit down with Mr. Walsh on the problem. I then called a meeting of the presidents in New York for consideration of the subject. Mr. McCann. What date did the meeting of the presidents take place in New York? Mr. Johnston. September 12, I believe. Mr. McCann. Who was present ? Mr. Johnston. Well, as I recall it, almost everyone Avas present. Mr. McCann. Well, I am very anxious to know because so many of them have said, "I wasn't there." Now, I would like to know who was there. Mr. Johnston. Well. I will have to get you that list, Mr. McCann. I do not have it with me. I think I can produce a list of who was there. Mr. McCann. You aie a man of very remaikable memory and I wish 3^ou would try to tell us from your memory who was present at this meeting in New York. Mr. Johnston. Well. Mr. Schenck was there. Mr. McCann. Nicholas? Mr. Johnston. Nicholas Schenck of M-G-M; Mr. Balaban, presi- dent of Paramount. I think that Mr. Michaels was there, executive vice president of Twentieth Century-Fox. Mr. McCann. Was not Spyros Skouras there? Mr. Johnston. I do not believe he was. I think he was out of the country; I am not sure. I do not recall him there. I recall Mr. Michaels because he objected very strongly to my opinion that the studios should be closed, so I recall his presence for that reason. Mr. McCann. Who was that that objected so strenuously? Mr. Johnston. Mr. Michaels. Mr. McCann. Proceed.