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1060 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. Johnston. That is right. Mr. McCann. I am reading that, Mr. Chairman. I am reading the language ahnost word for word that comes from the minutes taken in Hollywood from the producers, and I wanted to check the accuracy of that with Mr. Johnston. Now, at that time, Mr. Johnston, you had surrendered your power as the labor arbitrator; had you not? Mr. Johnston. Yes, sir. Mr. McCann. So you were just the president of the association with no power to enforce your own judgment? Mr. Johnston. Not at all. Mr. McCann. At that time it was your judgment that the prudent course was to close the studios? Mr. Johnston. Right. Mr. McCann. But after being overruled, was it your opinion, and the opinion of the New York executives, to try the second course and keep open with the help of the lA? Mr. Johnston. No; that was never my opinion. Mr. McCann. That was never your opinion ? Mr. Johnston. No. It still is not my opinion. Mr. McCann. Well, in that respect, Mr. Johnston, you are now varying the statement of the minutes which were taken of the meeting in Hollywood. If you will excuse me, Mr. Chairman, I want to read a section from those minutes. What time did you hold your meeting in New York, Mr. Johnston ? Mr. Johnston. It was in the afternoon. I think it began at 2 o'clock. I am not sure of the hour, but I think that was it. Mr. McCann. At that time I believe there was a 4-hour differential between New York and Los Angeles, at least a 3-hour differential; was there not? Mr. Johnston. Yes; it would be three out there. Mr. McCann. I am reading from the minutes of the producers on September 12, 1946, and it states: It is apparently the opinion of the New York executives and Johnson— and they spell you J-o-h-n-s-o-n Mr. Johnston. That is good. Mr. McCann (continuing). To try tlie second course. If we try this course and call upon lA and they should fail to be able to keep us open, then the lA may attempt to get the federation to settle the matter or adjudicate the matter with the carpenters. Now, was that latter suggested with you, sir? Mr. Johnston. The whole statement, as far as I am concerned, is completely erroneous. In the first place, those are not minutes, I don't know who kept them, but they are certainly not certified min- utes. In the second place, at no time have I suggested the studios remain open. I have always thought they shoidd be closed in case of difficulty. I have seen those purported minutes. They were not miimtes to begin with. I think there were some notes made by Mr, Clark who is now secretary of the organization and I think, if I am not mistaken, they were made after the meeting was closed as simply his ideas of what happened.