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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1061 Mr. McCann. Mr. Johnston, we are glad to receive your state- ment. We are sorry to have to disagree with yon because we have records here showing negotiations and Mr. Chirk's minutes covering those, right on through the negotiations on contracts where the pro- ducers met. He was an employee. They are entitled "minutes," whether they are minutes or not, and you will not question whether the minutes you produce from Xew York are the minutes of the pro- ducers ; will you 'i Mr. JoiixsTON. No; because those are minutes which are checked afterwards at the next meeting and are read, and any corrections are made, but these were not read. Mr. McCann. Bear in mind, Mr. Johnston Mr. Johnston. Mr. Clark was not an employee, as I understand it, of the producers association. He was an employee of ]\Ir. Pat Casey. Mr. McCann. Bear in mind when I read what I did here that the paragraph before says, "Kahane states," and this paragraph which I read to you is apparently a statement made by Mr. Kahane after communicating, or following your meeting in New York City, as to what the producers committee had decided to do. Mr. Johnston. I don't know what Mr. Kahane may have said out there, or what was testified to on the stand, but there are plenty of people here in this room who know exactly what my attitude was at the president's meeting and they will all testify to the fact that I have always been for closing the studios in case of jurisdictional disputes. There can be no question about that at all; not the slightest question about it. Mr. Kahane is fairly familiar with my attitude on that, and has been all along, and for him to have made a statement of that kind is completely inconsistent for him, if he made it. Mr. McCann. We are glad to have that correction from j^ou. You know that your own position was definite and certain, and that you made it clear to the group there? j\Ir. Johnston. Oh, yes; there are too many people in this room who know that. Mr. McCann. Will the minutes show just w^iat you said in New York, sir? Mr. Johnston. I cannot tell you just what the minutes will show. Mr. McCann. You did not check the minutes that were taken there? jNIr. Johnston. I usually check the minutes. I do not recall these particular minutes, Mr. McCann, frankly. There can be no question about my attitude on this. It is too well known by everj^one in the industry. Mr. McCann. Was it your position with respect to the second course of action which you state you did approve Mr. Johnston. No; I did not approve any course of action. Mr. McCann. You did not approve, personally, that the second course of action which we have referred to several times should be followed^ Mr. Johnston. I think it was the consensus of opinion that that was the course that should be followed. There were some who agreed with me. My position was consistent and adamant that the studios should be closed. I felt we had suffered enough in expense, we had