Jurisdictional disputes in the motion-picture Industry : hearings before a special subcommittee of the Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first-session, pursuant to H. Res. 111 (1948)

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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1067 I am very definitely of the opinion we should have that in all eon- tracts, whether it he in Hollywood, or any place else. Mr. Owens. Well, 1 believe what you are speaking of is something that we discussed almost a year ago which you classed as final tech- nical adjudication. Mr. JoiixsTox. Right. Mv. Owens. Rather than compulsory arbitration. ]N[r. Johnston. I think I used that term before you a year ago, Mr. Owens. Mr. Oavens. "What I was thinking of in this situation was the matter of unions, where you use the words "require unions to arbitrate." I thought you meant instead of speaking of a situation between man- agement and an individual union, that you were speaking of one between different unions or branches of the same union. Mr. Johnston. I am. I am speaking of contracts betw'een unions; between branches of the same union, or between management and labor. I thiidv they all should be settled without violence and without a jncket line. They should be settled by arbitration. Ml'. Owens. Well, when you make your contracts, do you make them Avith all of those groups at the same time, or do you make them separately ( Mr. Johnston. Xo; they are made separately, but that still would not prevent our inserting a clause stating that any dispute arising under this contract, irrespective of what it might be, must be settled by arbitration. Mr. Owens. Yes; but if you were dealing with five different unions Mr. Johnston. It still would not make any difference, Mr. Owens. Mr. Owens. But A^our trouble out there, it appears to me, is be- tween the unions themselves, is that right? Mr. Johnston. I understand that in this contract the unions would have to settle their problems amongst themselves by arbitration. I proposed, and it was accepted by Mr. Sorrell, and I think by Mr. Walsh tentatively, that in the future contracts in Hollywood would contain a provision for the arbitration of any jurisdictional disputes. Mr. Sorrell, I believe, agreed to that. Mr. Walsh agreed to it only tentatively. He agreed to it only if the other international presidents involved would agree to it. In other words, he said Mr. Sorrell is not an international president, but if Mr. Lindelof, who is the president of the painters' union, and who Ml'. Sorrell represents, and if the other international presidents, ]\Ir. Hutcheson, Mr. Brown at that time, JNIr. Tracy today, and others would agree, he was willing to go along, but he was not willing to go along uidess the president agreed to it. So I think if you could once get over this hurdle, if you and your committee could settle this problem, Mr. Chairman, as I know you are endeavoring to do, then it seems to me there is a fair chance of get- ting arbitration in contracts in Hollywood. Sir. Owens. I am just wondering if we are not over it already. Let us see. At that time you are mentioning, appi'oximately a 10-day l)eriod of arbitration. In the law we have given you 60 clays, have we not ?