Jurisdictional disputes in the motion-picture Industry : hearings before a special subcommittee of the Committee on Education and Labor, House of Representatives, Eightieth Congress, first-session, pursuant to H. Res. 111 (1948)

MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1085 presidents, and because of the set-u}) in the hibor nioxement, as you know, sir, all unions are self-autonomous if certain international presi- dents were not inclined to a<zree to this kind of machinery, and possibly at that time, or at this time. Brother Ilutcheson woidd not a<»;ree to any kind of machinery that would adjudicate tliese kinds of differences, why then I do not think they would have fjotten very far. But the expressions and the general opinion of all the international presidents at that conference were that they wanted to do something about it, and all that they Avanted to find out was a way of doing it. So I think I can say, sir. that i)retty generally every future effort would be made by a majority of the international presidents to do something about it. Mr. McCaxx. The point I want to make is this: Was any effort made then by the representatives of the 26 unions present to prepare a working formula to dispose of jurisdictional strife in Hollywood? Mr. buLLZELL. The conference broke up by the appointing of a conuiiittee. I think the personnel of that committee consisted of Brother Lindelof. of the painters: Tom Tracv, of the electrical work- ers ; and Dick Walsh, of the ITASE. Mr. McCaxx'. What has that committee done to date ? Mr. DuLLZELL. I do not know, sir; I have never attended a meeting. I think I was on that committee myself, as a matter of fact. Mr. McCaxx. You think you were on the committee? Mr. DuELZELE. I think I was, but the chairman was Tom Tracy, and to my knowledge there has never been any meeting called. Brother Lindelof I see is here. He might correct me if I am wrong. I have never been invited to attend a meeting. Mr. McCann. You do not know of any further steps that have been taken to implement the resolution in the Chicago convention of 1946^ Mr. DuLEZEEL. Well, yes, efforts were made. I think real efforts were made to bring about some kind of a settlement. I never was a party to that conference. There were many held but I think it was impossible to arrive at any conclusions largely because of the ob- stinacy or the stubbornness of Mr. Hutcheson. Mr. McCax^x^. Now, have you anything to offer with respect to legis- lative suggestions ? Mr. DuLEZELL. No, not at this time, Mr. McCann. Mr. McCanx^. I do not want to press you on this, Mr. Dullzell, but I believe you have already very thoroughly covered the idea when you said that your own Four A organization would support legislation Which would implement arbitration of contractual agreements. Mr. DuxEZEEE. Yes, sir. I could not do otherwise because that has been our policy for over 30 3'ears. Mr. McCax-^x^. I believe you also advised me before coming in here that in your opinion it was hopeless to look to the American Federation of Labor to voluntarily take steps which would correct such a situa- tion as has existed for many months in Hollywood? Mr. DuLEZELL. The opinion that I had then still remains because nothing has been shown to me to prove that I am wrong. I would like to be proven wrong. IMr. McCaxx. I wonder if you are acquainted with two facts which perhaps you do not know about and which I think I ought to tell you before you leave the witness stand: That the three-man committee, 67383—48—vol. 2 4