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1086 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES when they testified in Hollywood, stated emphatically to this commit- tee, to Mr. Kearns, that it was never their intention by their directive of December 26, 1945, to take away from the carpenters the work which they had done historically. Have you any comment to make on that ? Mr. DuLLZELL. No, sir, I have not because I am not familiar with all that passed in between. Mr. MgCann. Does that coincide with your recollection of what they told you ? Mr. DuLLZELL. No, my understanding at that conference which I attended with the representatives of the Screen Actors Guild was to the effect—and again I think it was Mr. Doherty that prefaced his remarks by saying that they never had any intention of taking away from the lATSE what they had been doing from time immemorial in the theater. Mr. McCann. Was it your impression that when they gave the work of set erection to the lATSE that they were carrying out the historical division of work between these two unions? Mr. DuLLZELL. I think that they thought they were, Mr. McCann. Mr. McCann. Did you know that Mr. Doherty testified before us in Hollywood, and his associates, that they based their division of work upon an agreement known as the 1926 agreement which they thought had been in effect for many years and which they did not ascertain until several months later had never been in effect between the carpenters and the lATSE ? Mr. DuLLZELL. I heard about that; yes, sir. Mr. McCann, Did you know that when Mr. Walsh appeared before the three-man committee of arbitrators in Los Angeles that he repre- sented to the three-man committee that the 1926 agreement between the carpenters and the lATSE had been in operation from 1926 to 1933? Mr. DuLLZELL. No. Mr. McCann. Did you know that? Mr. DuLLZELL. No, sir. Mr. McCann. Did you know that as a matter of fact that 1926 agreement between the carpenters and the lATSE was never put into effect and that Big Bill Hutcheson had canceled the charter of the local that made the contract? Mr. DuLLZELL. No, sir; I had no occasion to be familiar with those agreements. Mr. McCann. You are certainly not acquainted with what took place at the Miami convention of the executive council of the Ameri- can Federation of Labor? Mr. DuLLZELL. No, sir. Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, those are all of my questions, sir. Mr. ZoRN. May I submit a few questions, sir ? Mr. Kearns. Yes, sir. Mr. McCann. These questions are submitted by Mr. Burt Zorn, counsel for the producers: From your knowledge of the situation who has been responsible for the dis- astrous Hollywood jurisdictional strike? Mr. Dullzell. I am not competent to answer that question. Mr. INIcCann. The next question which he asks: Are the producers responsible parties for these strikes?