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MOTIOX-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1087 Mr. DuLLZELL. I do not know. Mr. McCann. The next question : On wliom would you place the responsibility for the failure to settle the strike which started in September 1946? Mr. DuL,LZELL. It is my opinion that these questions should be directed to officials of the Screen Actors Guild. 1 am not in contact with the studios or the producers, therefore I cannot answer those questions, Mr. McCann. Mr. McCanx. He has one other question: Is it not the failure of Mr. Hutcheson to cooperate or participate which has blocked the efforts of the A. F. of L. to set up effective arbitration machinery in the motion-picture industry? Mr. DuLLZELL. I have been told that that is the case, Mr. McCann, but I have never talked with Mr. Hutcheson. He has never talked with me. Therefore. I do not think my answer to that question would be of any value. Mr. ]SiIcCAxx. Those are all the questions I have to ask, Mr. Chair- man. Mr. Kearxs. yiv. Didlzell, in your testimony here you directly blame Mr. William Hutcheson for negligence in trying to reach an agree- ment with the other international vice presidents or presidents; is that true ? Mr. DuLLZELL. Well. I blame him largely, INIr. Chairman, because of the fact that the conference which was called in Washington was really called in the hope that we could have the benefit of Mr. Hutche- son"s views, but his absence made it impossible for us to get anywhere. And from all that I have heard—and again I do not think it is com- petent testimony because it is only hearsay—again I repeat I have never talked with Mr. Hutcheson. I do not know his ideas. He has never expressed them to me. But the general understanding, the feeling and the impression has been that Dr. Hutcheson is really responsible for the situation because of his unwillingness to make any kind of compromise. Mr. Kearxs. That is merely your personal opinion ? Mr. DuLLZELL. That is only my personal opinion, sir. Mr. Kearxs. Then you do not consider the strike in the motion- picture industry as it now stands in Hollywood as terminated, do you? Mr. DuLLZELL. I do not, no, sir. Mr. Kearxs. Why? Ml-. DuLLZELL. Because it is still going on. ]\Ir. Kkarxs. In what way is it going on ? Mr. DuLLZELL. Well, is it not a fact that the carpenters are still out ? Mr. Kearxs. That is right. Do you know of any other people that are out? Mr. DuLLZELL. Xo, I do not; but I was interested in the carpenters. Mr. Kearxs. Just in the carpenters? Ml-. DuLLZELL. Yes, sir. Mr. Kearxs. Do you have any further questions? Mr. McCaxx. Xo further questions, sir. Mr. Kearxs. That will be all. Mr. Dullzell. We thank you for coming doAvn. Mr. McCaxx. Mr. Chainiian, mav we have a 5-minute recess?