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1112 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES Mr. McCann. I would be glad for you to describe it, sir. I want to get it clear for the members of the committee who have come in. Mr. Rathvon. The lA men were doing set erecting for many years. It was not a question of their getting it under the decision. They got certain work, however, that they had not been doing over the past years in connection with set erection, which previously had been done by the carpenters. That is correct, but it did not go to all set erection by any means. Now, Mr. Walsh embraced that additional work becavise it was as- signed to him. It was a type of work which had been assigned to him under a settlement way back in 1926, but which he had never gotten. Why the three vice presidents who made up this committee chose to go back to the 1926 agreement which was never fully put into effect, is none of my business, and I don't know, but they did do that and they actually gave to the IA a little more work as set erectors than they had as set erectors at the time of the strike, so they came out a little better under this jurisdictional settlement. It may be that the men on the committee thought they had to give them that in order to clarify this fine line of distinction in the work. In other words, that is what they decided and that is what we lived up to. In this settlement, Mr. Hutcheson's men had somewhat less work, enough work to handle some 350 carpenters in our whole industry, that is the fact that riled Mr. Hutcheson and caused him to refuse to live up to this thing which he had previously consented to. Mr. McCann. You have said that twice, and I want to set you straight on that, because I think you are a little in error there. I am not trjnng to create an argument, but to state a fact. Mr. Hutcheson said it was not agreeable to him, but that his men could work under that agreement; did he not ? Mr. Rathvon. I believe he did say that, but in the matter of practice he did not. Mr. McCann. Well, they did go back to work, did they not, on the 31st of October and continued to work under the agreement from the 26th of December until the strike that followed on September 23 ? Mr. Rathvon. Under great difficulty they did go back to work, up until the time they declared sets "hot." Mr. McCann. I am trying to get this thing straightened out, so that the members of the committee who have come in here may under- stand actually what took place. Following the directive and the clarification, there came the threat of Mr. Walsh as to what he would do, and the ultimatum of Mr. Cam- biano that if you did not return the work to the carpenters under the clarification that they would declare the sets "hot." You were on the horns of a dilemma and had to choose between the two; is that not correct ? Mr. Rathvon. We were on the horns of a dilemma and had to find ourselves a course which might be choosing between the two or trying to compromise in some other manner. Mr. McCann. Now, do you remember, and is it a fact that under those circumstances you went to Mr. Brewer and said to Mr. Brewer: What we are going to do will depend upon your action?