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MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1115 I came all' the way from Hollywood to appear before this commit- tee and I hope to be helpful, to testify on this situation you have just described, and I am faced with this: A statement from the chair- man Mr. Owens. We are acquainted with that statement. We have heard you and I think we are able to judge character. ISIr. Rathvon. Maybe I am pressing my point, sir, and I withdraw it, but I do feel that our maneuvers here in this dilemma situation we have been in are being twisted and turned against us. On the basis of the record we are accused that they have found a conspiracy here unless we come in and produce evidence to the contrary. I do not know what these gentlemen believe of the testimony. There are days and days of it in the record. I do not know what part they believe of it wliich would cause them to issue such a statement. I would make a strong plea that those of you who make the final decision in this matter, who shape the policies and procedures, and who are the only ones who could conspire with lATSE, that you form your final judgment on what we have to say to you and not on the record of somebody's minutes out in Hollywood in a situation such as we have tried to air here, because it comes down apparently to this one point here, this one relationship growing out of a directive, a clarification, and so on where we steered the best course we could. We elected to go in one direction and now in that one activity flowing out of that situation created by high policy in the A. F. of L. we are accused of conspiracy. Mr. KJEARNS. Mr. Rathvon, we have the presidents here for that particular reason. I want to tell you that I appreciate your presence and every one of the presidents will have an opportunity to present their side. Mr. McCann. Mr. Chairman, may I ask two or three questions that have been submitted ? Mr. Kearxs. Who submitted the questions ? jNlr. McCann. One is a question by Mr. Freeman and one by Mr. Cobb. I would like to get them out of the way so that we can excuse Mr. Rathvon if possible. Mr. Kearns. All right. Mr. McCaxn. Mr. Freeman asked this question: Did not the direc- tive of December 26 take work away from the lATSE and give it to other unions ? Mr. Rathvon. I do not know what the directive of December 26 is. Mr. McCann. That is the original directive. ;Mr. Rathvon. I understand it took certain work away from the carpenters and gave it to the set erectors that the carpenters had enjoyed for some time. Mr. ]\IcCann. I don't believe you have answered the question the way he intended it. Mr. Rathvon. Read it back to me, please. Mr. McCann. Did not the directive of December 26 take work away from the lATSE and give it to other unions? He does not mention the carpenters. He says "other unions." If you do not know, you can say so. INIr. Rathvon. I think I would rather answer that question that I do not know becausQ I am not too familiar with the other aspects of that decision.