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1142 MOTION-PICTURE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES It did not take very long with the carpenters you had on the bench to call them in and say, "Will you do the work?" If they said "No," why we would let them go. We had reports from our con- struction head that some of the carpenters would do the work and some of the painters would do the work. We heard other reports that if we called upon one to do the work and let him go, that all the others would walk out. We wanted to find out just how far they were going in this effort to repudiate their agreement. Mr. MoCann. Will you tell the committee here about the confer- ences which you had with Mr. Brewer as to how the thing would be done? Mr, Kahane. I don't think we had any conferences with Mr. Brewer on how the thing should be done. Mr. Brewer, representing the lATSE, was asked by us if they could furnish us men to take the places of the striking painters and carpenters. Mr. McCann. Isn't it a fact that you said to Mr. Brewer, "What we will do and what plans we are going to carry out will depend upon what you will agree to do and what you can assure us that you will do?" Mr. Kahane. Not at all, sir. What we said to him and to every- body else in Hollywood—we first went to the actors and said that jf the actors would not go along with this program we obviously must close. If the directors would not go along we obviously must close. If the teamsters would not go along, we probably would have had to close. If the lATSE would not furnish us cameramen and furnish us men to replace these workers who struck, we obviously would have had to close, so therefore, we had to go to all the unions and crafts involved and ask them if they would go along with this operation. Mr. McCann. And you arranged with Mr. Brewer to fill the jobs as the carpenters and painters were let out? Mr. Kaiiane. We asked him to give us any assistance he could in furnishing men. Mr. McCann. Who was it that assured you that the teamsters would come through the line ? Mr. Kahane. I believe it was Mr. Tuohy that we talked to about teamsters. Mr. McCann. At that time Mr. Tuohy was the international rep- resentative of the teamsters in Hollywood ? Mr. Kahane. Either that or the business agent for the local union, I am not sure. Mr. McCann. He assured you the teamsters would come through? Mr. Kahane. Yes, sir. Mr. McCann. And you had conferences with Somerset and other representatives of the actors; did you not ? Mr. Kahane. Yes, sir; and with some of the representatives of the board of directors of the Actors' Guild. Mr. McCann. After 3^ou had held these conferences was it not de- cided that some of the studios or that all of the studios would get rid of their carpenters by the 23d of December? Mr. Kahane. I do not know that there was any date specified, but we were all trying to get rid of them as fast as we could, sir.