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MOTION-PICTUEE JURISDICTIONAL DISPUTES 1143 Mr, McCann, Was not that the date set in your hibor nieetino; that the incidents would be deveh)i)ed by the '2od day of December? Mr. Kaiiane. I don't remember that there was any fixed date but I know that we were all to get our houses in order if you please, as soon as possible. Mr. McCaxx. AVas it not agreed between the representatives of the companies there that as soon as you got rid of the carpenters you would do the same thing with the painters to get the painters out? Mr. Kahaxe. I think we did it simultaneously. As soon as there was a set ready we would call upon the carpenters to put in the mill- work and the painters to do the painting. As soon as we found they would not we had to let them go, j\Ir. McCaxx. Was it not agreed between you as the representatives of the companies there that you would follow through and get rid of all of the employees of the SCU working in your organization? Mr. Kaiiane. I think you have gone too far when you say all the members of the CSU. Mr, McCaxn. How far did it go, sir? Mr. Kaiiane, All the carpenters and painters, sir. We had the set designers who were members of the painters' union. If they re- fused to make designs for sets they were let go. If there were any other crafts involved who refused to do work they were let go, but I do not remember that any others besides set design- ers, set decorators, and painters, who are part of the painters' union, and the carpenters. The musicians, teamsters, and all the other union help which comprised all but about 8,000 of the crafts, reported for work, Mr. McCanx. I think that is all, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask him if he has anything else to say. There is a question suggested by Mr. Zorn. I want to be sure you have a chance to answer this if you have not answered it. Mr. ZoRX'. I think he has answered it. Mr. McCax^x. You think he has ? Mr. Zorn. Yes, Mr, McCann. All right, then I will not ask the question. I just want to make sure that j^ou have an opportunity to say anything else you desire to say on this subject. Mr. Keakns. I want to offer Mr. Landis an opportunity to ask a question. Mr. Laxdis. I just want to clear up one point. When they came to you and told you they were not going to work the next morning, what kind of a contract was in force at that time? ]\[r. Kahaxe. I think the carpenters were under what we call a 5- year basic agreement. That agreement, of course, called for them to supply men for carpenter work but under the circumstances they chose not to respect that obligation. As a matter of fact there was another agreement. ^Iv. Laxdis. Would you call that a wildcat strike if they walked out the next day? Mr. Kahane. Well, having had almost 40 years' experience in the labor field, so far as theaters and motion pictures are concerned, I would say it was a common occurrence for them to give us just about that much notice.